No matter what you believe or what anyone tells you, there is only one reason you exist, and that is to have children. If you raise them well, and they grow healthy and prosperous, it increases their chances of having healthy and successful children of their own, thus spreading your successful genes across another generation. Nothing is more important that this. Not the state of the world, not the fairness of government, not your economic status, not your level of education, not your level of religious or spiritual enlightenment, and certainly not your own personal happiness. But short of someone who absolutely cannot have children of their own, the only people who will be able to care for and raise your children is YOU, because you cared enough to stay.

Everything in life has a learning curve, and the very idea that the government should be able to deny someone a natural right because they cannot intuit the perfect form of an act the very first attempt is naive and evil. The reason we do everything we do is so that we can provide for the next generation, whether we know it or not. You do what is good for yourself BECAUSE it is good for your children, even if they have yet to be born.

You make a good point.

You mean you support the government forcing pregnancies, as well? That’s right, read what the man wrote. It’s not just that he wants to force abortions upon people, but also to give the government complete control over the reproductive decisions of all women. In fact, he laid out a legal framework to make not having children (or, his primary view, having children) a crime. You are a little facist if you support this, Alex. You realize that with your ideal government, there would be no room for guns in private hands, correct? Proper population control could not happen when a father is willing to kill and die to defend a woman about to give birth to his child.

If you are a teen mom and you think you’re capable of raising a child to adulthood, then you’re either stupid or delusional, either way, you’re unfit to be a parent.

I don’t get it. I just don’t see any problem with what this Science Czar is advocating.

i think that every mother has that instinct, it is called the mother love to protect her children. Some are deficient and bad mothers but the children if they survive will create more children. That is the meanin of the biological urge to peocreate our species to ensure that more children are created

with this one.
“In the extreme, such as severe abuse, I’ll agree that government or community force is necessary to isolate and protect the child.”

I’ll accept, only for the sake of argument, that the parents depicted are not the best available. Yet I must point out a few things. As far as we can tell, the child is not abused. The parents are not mentally retarded, nor unfit to take care of themselves. Therefore I am interpreting your argument to be “because someone, somewhere, can raise the child better, it is thus proper to force this action.” Since the only difference in the child will only be a few iq points, or a trip to mcdonalds instead of a healty fish and salad meal, I find it entirely proper for the parents to defend with force the taking of their child.

“Depending on the parents, sometimes the best way to defend their progeny is to let better people raise them.” In the extreme, such as severe abuse, I’ll agree that force is necessary. Otherwise the choice must be up to the parents. Not you, me, or anybody else.

In summation, I vehemently disagree with your position.

I am not a parent.

There is no reason to believe that The State would ever make these calls based solely, or even principally, for the benefit of the victims. You’re going to have to try The Church. What could go wrong?

And thus do I refute “Fascism: It’s For The Children.”

I don’t have kids, nor would it be smart for me to do so. If I were to become a father tomorrow I probably would be an unfit parent, and my child would be better off in the hands of someone else. It would be stupid and selfish for me not to give the baby up for adoption.

Ken:

I don’t consider it dirty work. I’d be happy to participate in the things I talk about. AndI hadn’t realized that having an alternate viewpoint made me a troll. I’ve argued these positions in real life as well as in cyberspace.

Don’t you want kids to be raised by sane, intelligent people, and not some screwball teenage couple who only got pregnant because they had the right body parts and a brain the size of a garbanzo bean.

Think about it: I can’t build a structure on my property without getting all kinds of licenses and permissions from the city, but it’s okay for me to create another human being who will be at my mercy for the next 18 years, and the government can’t do anything to stop me.

If I want to add a second story onto my house, I have to get approval from my city, but the octo-mom can crap out kid after kid and no one can say “No!”

Bottom Line: I don’t think protecting children’s rights is the same as fascism.

That Great Appeal of Fascism is simply this: It “only” outlaws the idiots and maniacs!

Post their IP addresses.

It’s a fair bet that Alex would never dare say the things in the real world that he does on cyberspace.

Jeez. Think about what you’re advocating.

Yes, I think Bristol’s child should be taken away, at gun point if necessary. That baby deserves a better set of parents; both Tripp and Bristol (and Levi) would greatly benefit from this course of action. Todd would not be justified in shooting the men; that would be doing his daughter and granddaughter a grave disservice.

Jdude,

Depending on the parents, sometimes the best way to defend their progeny is to let better people raise them. I agree, overpopulation does not justify killing; I think a better way to prevent overpopulation is to get people to stop cranking out so many kids.

If the US had a population of 2.3 billion… so what? There would be long lines at the theater and bad traffic, but there would still be enough arable land to farm. I cannot justify any situation where mandatory killing of people is acceptable.