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		<title>By: Some Stuff Sucks, 5.11 Doesn&#8217;t &#8211; 053</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/06/19/why-burn-bridges-that-dont-need-burning/#comment-45199</link>
		<dc:creator>Some Stuff Sucks, 5.11 Doesn&#8217;t &#8211; 053</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bridges Don&#8217;t Need Burning [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Snowflakes in Hell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gun Restrictions Toppling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snowflakes in Hell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gun Restrictions Toppling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] take to heart what Bitter said a few days ago, about not automatically thinking of the media as the enemy.  I don&#8217;t think the gun rights [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Problem with the press

This goes waaaay back, back at least as far as 1985.  The problem isn&#039;t just the press being biased against us, or the press being lazy and stupid.  The problem is the press has actively campaigned against gun rights for over twenty years.

The press has long given up any idea that they should be unbiased witnesses to, and reporters of, the truth.  Since at least the Reagan years they believe they have the right to set the agenda for national policy by means of their media megaphone, as an unelected and unaccountable 4th branch of government.

  Just go back to such things as Newsweek&#039;s cover story in 1985 entitled &quot;machine gun USA&quot; which kicked off the campaign against semi-autos.  Or Time magazines multiple cover stories attacking guns.  And even today, after over twenty years of being corrected by us, how often does the press still confuse semi-auto weapons with machine guns?  Look at how the press most recently tried to gin up a new anti-gun hysteria after that month of multiple police killings.  That is beyond bias and stupidity, instead the press is the active enemy.

Now by no means do I intend to condemn ALL the press as the enemy.  But the default assumption one should make is that until otherwise indicated, a reporter intends to distort the truth and attack gun rights.  Be polite, but be cautious and on your guard.  The same way you would act during serving of a search warrant by police.</description>
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<p>This goes waaaay back, back at least as far as 1985.  The problem isn&#8217;t just the press being biased against us, or the press being lazy and stupid.  The problem is the press has actively campaigned against gun rights for over twenty years.</p>
<p>The press has long given up any idea that they should be unbiased witnesses to, and reporters of, the truth.  Since at least the Reagan years they believe they have the right to set the agenda for national policy by means of their media megaphone, as an unelected and unaccountable 4th branch of government.</p>
<p>  Just go back to such things as Newsweek&#8217;s cover story in 1985 entitled &#8220;machine gun USA&#8221; which kicked off the campaign against semi-autos.  Or Time magazines multiple cover stories attacking guns.  And even today, after over twenty years of being corrected by us, how often does the press still confuse semi-auto weapons with machine guns?  Look at how the press most recently tried to gin up a new anti-gun hysteria after that month of multiple police killings.  That is beyond bias and stupidity, instead the press is the active enemy.</p>
<p>Now by no means do I intend to condemn ALL the press as the enemy.  But the default assumption one should make is that until otherwise indicated, a reporter intends to distort the truth and attack gun rights.  Be polite, but be cautious and on your guard.  The same way you would act during serving of a search warrant by police.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos for your efforts toward bridge-building.
I am an army brat, enjoy shooting, and was a public radio 
reporter for 20 years (newspapers before that). The issue 
rarely came up, but almost every time when I tried to reach
regional shooters/2nd amendement supporters, local people
would not speak. I eventually had to go to PR people from 
some of the state organizations. I would much rather have had 
comments/thoughts from people in the region, real vox
populi sorts. The antis, of course, were generally more than 
willing.
Anon, Don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos for your efforts toward bridge-building.<br />
I am an army brat, enjoy shooting, and was a public radio<br />
reporter for 20 years (newspapers before that). The issue<br />
rarely came up, but almost every time when I tried to reach<br />
regional shooters/2nd amendement supporters, local people<br />
would not speak. I eventually had to go to PR people from<br />
some of the state organizations. I would much rather have had<br />
comments/thoughts from people in the region, real vox<br />
populi sorts. The antis, of course, were generally more than<br />
willing.<br />
Anon, Don</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Schell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Schell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter,
Your comments are very welcome and on point.  I have traded emails with some anti-gun (I prefer to say anti-self-defense) newspaper people and civility helped the discussion.  Didin&#039;t change any minds but it was much more constructive than tossing epithets...I the gun guy could not be accused honestly of not listening and responding rationally.  

The urge to throttle some reporters is very high (Laura Washington is one) but it just drives ideologues like that further into their fantasy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter,<br />
Your comments are very welcome and on point.  I have traded emails with some anti-gun (I prefer to say anti-self-defense) newspaper people and civility helped the discussion.  Didin&#8217;t change any minds but it was much more constructive than tossing epithets&#8230;I the gun guy could not be accused honestly of not listening and responding rationally.  </p>
<p>The urge to throttle some reporters is very high (Laura Washington is one) but it just drives ideologues like that further into their fantasy.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not burn a bridge that nobody is using? It blocks the view. To continue the metaphor, the bridge seems to serve as something allowing the reporter close enough to take a couple of photos and then leave without ever having set foot on the other side.

As well, a bridge suggests two way traffic, of which there is precious little. I&#039;ve lost sight of the times that I have crossed the bridge only to find my footsteps all alone to show that anyone was ever there.

And it would be nice to write a posting that wasn&#039;t based on an either/or proposition: that we gunnies either like or &#039;hate&#039; the media. I have spoken to media people knowing that whatever I said would get distorted (it was), ignored (that, too) or dismissed out of hand. Mistrust? Yep. Suspicion? M-hmm, that too. Hatred? Puh-leeze, these folks aren&#039;t woth the effort. Contempt, sure: they&#039;ve more than earned that.

Your point is solid, but it&#039;s way too early to trot out the forgiveness. Let the media first try to repair some of the calumny and lies that they have knowingly and willingly published. Let them do that for awhile. Then, and only then, will it be appropriate to castigate our side for our attitudes, the ones that have been formed over the course of bitter experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not burn a bridge that nobody is using? It blocks the view. To continue the metaphor, the bridge seems to serve as something allowing the reporter close enough to take a couple of photos and then leave without ever having set foot on the other side.</p>
<p>As well, a bridge suggests two way traffic, of which there is precious little. I&#8217;ve lost sight of the times that I have crossed the bridge only to find my footsteps all alone to show that anyone was ever there.</p>
<p>And it would be nice to write a posting that wasn&#8217;t based on an either/or proposition: that we gunnies either like or &#8216;hate&#8217; the media. I have spoken to media people knowing that whatever I said would get distorted (it was), ignored (that, too) or dismissed out of hand. Mistrust? Yep. Suspicion? M-hmm, that too. Hatred? Puh-leeze, these folks aren&#8217;t woth the effort. Contempt, sure: they&#8217;ve more than earned that.</p>
<p>Your point is solid, but it&#8217;s way too early to trot out the forgiveness. Let the media first try to repair some of the calumny and lies that they have knowingly and willingly published. Let them do that for awhile. Then, and only then, will it be appropriate to castigate our side for our attitudes, the ones that have been formed over the course of bitter experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomcatshanger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomcatshanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making excuses for the folks doing the harmful lying is not a healthy reaction to lies and bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making excuses for the folks doing the harmful lying is not a healthy reaction to lies and bias.</p>
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		<title>By: ATL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;But that got me thinking about the deeply rooted hatred for the media that many gun owners have. Many are willing to burn the bridge with reporters without a second thought. Why is that?&quot;

&lt;/i&gt;


&quot;Samson! The Philistines are upon you!&quot; 

The issue of burning bridges is not that we have burned bridges with the media, but that they have burned them with us. Look, I understand they are a significant mouthpiece, but I do not believe they should be given the benefit of the doubt. The media in this country (even small independent liberal media is alot of cases) has a shown a propensity to distort and obfuscate as much as the Big Networks. I understand what you are saying, but the issue is one of trust and respect. When it comes to gun owners and the media- Those two things are in very short supply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;But that got me thinking about the deeply rooted hatred for the media that many gun owners have. Many are willing to burn the bridge with reporters without a second thought. Why is that?&#8221;</p>
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<p>&#8220;Samson! The Philistines are upon you!&#8221; </p>
<p>The issue of burning bridges is not that we have burned bridges with the media, but that they have burned them with us. Look, I understand they are a significant mouthpiece, but I do not believe they should be given the benefit of the doubt. The media in this country (even small independent liberal media is alot of cases) has a shown a propensity to distort and obfuscate as much as the Big Networks. I understand what you are saying, but the issue is one of trust and respect. When it comes to gun owners and the media- Those two things are in very short supply.</p>
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		<title>By: John A</title>
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		<dc:creator>John A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that a sense of perspective (and of humor) should be maintained. Even where bias is seen it is not necessarily more than ignorance, and may be educable. Yes, point out that &quot;semi-automatic&quot; is not the same as &quot;automatic&quot; etc., but what &lt;i&gt;non-shooter&lt;/i&gt; other than collectors/historians really cares about, say, the difference between magazine and clip feed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that a sense of perspective (and of humor) should be maintained. Even where bias is seen it is not necessarily more than ignorance, and may be educable. Yes, point out that &#8220;semi-automatic&#8221; is not the same as &#8220;automatic&#8221; etc., but what <i>non-shooter</i> other than collectors/historians really cares about, say, the difference between magazine and clip feed?</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the data was an interpretation of the larger question.  It wasn&#039;t an outright falsehood, and one that legally speaking, could be argued to answer the question.  Again, it goes to the expert issue.  Keep in mind that when comparing data like this, non-gun state laws also play a big role.  It&#039;s not always as cut and dried as we&#039;d like.

If you choose to write off reporters as a whole, then go ahead and give up your guns right now.  We should be actively reaching out to many communities to expand our ranks.  And one way they can help is by being neutralized on the issue.  And as for being burned on the issue, how many reporters do you reach out to on the issue?  I&#039;ve found that when I interact with them, they are very reasonable and open to discussion.  I can&#039;t imagine that my experience is completely unique given how many other people I know who share the view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the data was an interpretation of the larger question.  It wasn&#8217;t an outright falsehood, and one that legally speaking, could be argued to answer the question.  Again, it goes to the expert issue.  Keep in mind that when comparing data like this, non-gun state laws also play a big role.  It&#8217;s not always as cut and dried as we&#8217;d like.</p>
<p>If you choose to write off reporters as a whole, then go ahead and give up your guns right now.  We should be actively reaching out to many communities to expand our ranks.  And one way they can help is by being neutralized on the issue.  And as for being burned on the issue, how many reporters do you reach out to on the issue?  I&#8217;ve found that when I interact with them, they are very reasonable and open to discussion.  I can&#8217;t imagine that my experience is completely unique given how many other people I know who share the view.</p>
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		<title>By: DirtCrashr</title>
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		<dc:creator>DirtCrashr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the data actually did not say what the reporter claimed? Quel surprise!  
Once burnt twice shy, but after being burned over and over and over again, and far and wide - it&#039;s childish to continue to give them as a group the benefit of the doubt.  They need to know, should learn somehow, that they as a group have squandered that kindness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the data actually did not say what the reporter claimed? Quel surprise!<br />
Once burnt twice shy, but after being burned over and over and over again, and far and wide &#8211; it&#8217;s childish to continue to give them as a group the benefit of the doubt.  They need to know, should learn somehow, that they as a group have squandered that kindness.</p>
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		<title>By: Rustmeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rustmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, when I run across a story that appears to be based on ignorance, I do try to keep a civil tongue.

But, when someone uses obviously twisted data to advance the anti-gun agenda, I will most certainly adopt a cynical tone.

Like the other commenters in Uncle&#039;s thread pointed out, if you keep your parameters narrow enough, you can get whatever result you want. all you have to do is go from &quot;allowed to carry where alcohol is served&quot; to &quot;allowed to carry where alcohol is served, as long as you are in a shall issue state, carry concealed, and wear a nylon holster.&quot;

Ok, the nylon holster was my idea.

In this case, my cynicism may not have been justified, but I&#039;m fine with that. I don&#039;t mind being proved wrong, as long as the truth comes out.

Speaking of the truth, I really thought they would be foolish to give up that research, as it would most likely show them to be in error.

Which I believe it did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, when I run across a story that appears to be based on ignorance, I do try to keep a civil tongue.</p>
<p>But, when someone uses obviously twisted data to advance the anti-gun agenda, I will most certainly adopt a cynical tone.</p>
<p>Like the other commenters in Uncle&#8217;s thread pointed out, if you keep your parameters narrow enough, you can get whatever result you want. all you have to do is go from &#8220;allowed to carry where alcohol is served&#8221; to &#8220;allowed to carry where alcohol is served, as long as you are in a shall issue state, carry concealed, and wear a nylon holster.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok, the nylon holster was my idea.</p>
<p>In this case, my cynicism may not have been justified, but I&#8217;m fine with that. I don&#8217;t mind being proved wrong, as long as the truth comes out.</p>
<p>Speaking of the truth, I really thought they would be foolish to give up that research, as it would most likely show them to be in error.</p>
<p>Which I believe it did.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, another reporter in the building gave me the lawyer&#039;s contact info. So, I think your point stands.</description>
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		<title>By: Bitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I assumed you asked the reporter.  I wouldn&#039;t be shocked if they could provide it, too.</description>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the guy from the law firm sent me the data.</description>
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