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	<title>Comments on: Back Home</title>
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		<title>By: Gun Shy Tourist</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43337</link>
		<dc:creator>Gun Shy Tourist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 02:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is, that the TSA doesn&#039;t want you competing with their &quot;rogue&quot; employees.

http://aroundotown.blogspot.com/2009/04/whos-going-through-your-luggage-and.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is, that the TSA doesn&#8217;t want you competing with their &#8220;rogue&#8221; employees.</p>
<p><a href="http://aroundotown.blogspot.com/2009/04/whos-going-through-your-luggage-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://aroundotown.blogspot.com/2009/04/whos-going-through-your-luggage-and.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43318</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 19:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll tell you, I never would have thought I&#039;d ever forget about a loaded magazine tucked away in a bag, forgotten, until a TSA guy pulled it out at a checkpoint.  Never would have thought, until I did it.

You can bet I won&#039;t forget again, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll tell you, I never would have thought I&#8217;d ever forget about a loaded magazine tucked away in a bag, forgotten, until a TSA guy pulled it out at a checkpoint.  Never would have thought, until I did it.</p>
<p>You can bet I won&#8217;t forget again, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Boogliodemus</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43316</link>
		<dc:creator>Boogliodemus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Spoken like someone who doesn’t handle guns on a regular basis.&quot;

Well, you&#039;re right about that. The days of being able to shoot out your back door or on any rural back road are long gone in NW Montana. Now it&#039;s the range or nothing. Unfortunately, I do have to fly a lot. The way the confessions of forgetfulness were going in the comments, I was half expecting someone to tell about the time that they forgot they had a grenade in their pocket, a rocket luncher in their shaving kit or something equally farfetched. Don&#039;t forget to turn your pockets inside out, shake your hair out and check behind your ears. Apparently, ya just never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Spoken like someone who doesn’t handle guns on a regular basis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, you&#8217;re right about that. The days of being able to shoot out your back door or on any rural back road are long gone in NW Montana. Now it&#8217;s the range or nothing. Unfortunately, I do have to fly a lot. The way the confessions of forgetfulness were going in the comments, I was half expecting someone to tell about the time that they forgot they had a grenade in their pocket, a rocket luncher in their shaving kit or something equally farfetched. Don&#8217;t forget to turn your pockets inside out, shake your hair out and check behind your ears. Apparently, ya just never know.</p>
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		<title>By: CA</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43311</link>
		<dc:creator>CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The one thing I’ve learned from this post and the comments is that there are a lot of clueless blockheads out there. If you’re that scatterbrained, I wouldn’t want to be at the range with so many careless shooters. Thanks for the warnings.&quot;

Er what does forgetting to take a mag out of laptop bag have to do with range safety?

Shooting is part of our life.  Forgetting a mag is like forgetting a cell phone but we always know where the weapons are.

What it sounds like is that people like me shoot all the damned time.  So much so that we have shooting paraphernalia on our about or vehicles, home, person that sometimes forgetting can cause some unwelcome attention when compared to decades prior. 

When my Dad flew F-27s and DC-3s for West Coast Airlines the pilots had the option of being armed.  When he retired from NWA that was no longer the case.

Cory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The one thing I’ve learned from this post and the comments is that there are a lot of clueless blockheads out there. If you’re that scatterbrained, I wouldn’t want to be at the range with so many careless shooters. Thanks for the warnings.&#8221;</p>
<p>Er what does forgetting to take a mag out of laptop bag have to do with range safety?</p>
<p>Shooting is part of our life.  Forgetting a mag is like forgetting a cell phone but we always know where the weapons are.</p>
<p>What it sounds like is that people like me shoot all the damned time.  So much so that we have shooting paraphernalia on our about or vehicles, home, person that sometimes forgetting can cause some unwelcome attention when compared to decades prior. </p>
<p>When my Dad flew F-27s and DC-3s for West Coast Airlines the pilots had the option of being armed.  When he retired from NWA that was no longer the case.</p>
<p>Cory</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43303</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoken like someone who doesn&#039;t handle guns on a regular basis.  When shooting is part of your life, you&#039;ll find ammunition in all kinds of places you wouldn&#039;t expect it to get into.  TSA has good reasons for prohibiting ammunition on planes, but they also have good reasons for being forgiving of people who quite simply just forgot.  Guns are legal, and their ownership constitutionally protected.  It would be one thing to forget the gun, but another thing to forget ammunition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoken like someone who doesn&#8217;t handle guns on a regular basis.  When shooting is part of your life, you&#8217;ll find ammunition in all kinds of places you wouldn&#8217;t expect it to get into.  TSA has good reasons for prohibiting ammunition on planes, but they also have good reasons for being forgiving of people who quite simply just forgot.  Guns are legal, and their ownership constitutionally protected.  It would be one thing to forget the gun, but another thing to forget ammunition.</p>
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		<title>By: Boogliodemus</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43302</link>
		<dc:creator>Boogliodemus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing I&#039;ve learned from this post and the comments is that there are a lot of clueless blockheads out there. If you&#039;re that scatterbrained, I wouldn&#039;t want to be at the range with so many careless shooters. Thanks for the warnings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing I&#8217;ve learned from this post and the comments is that there are a lot of clueless blockheads out there. If you&#8217;re that scatterbrained, I wouldn&#8217;t want to be at the range with so many careless shooters. Thanks for the warnings.</p>
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		<title>By: CA</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43251</link>
		<dc:creator>CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No there does not have to be intent.  The statutes are written such that a violation does not require intent.

Same thing happened to me at Dulles in which I had some work done to my condo and put the .45, mags and a knife in my bag.  I remembered to take out the gun but forget about one mag and the knife.

Same thing ... &quot;no big deal but we have to write you a ticket for the knife and keep it&quot;....

$1,500 later in lawyer fees the TSA lady that was cool at the airport was an absolute demonic bitch in the courtroom saying that I was responsible for 9/11, the plague of the 1900s and the killing of numerous baby seals.  40 hours of community service later......  

Yay!

I&#039;m also a current pilot with a background clearance to fly within the 5 mile radius of DC&#039;s ring of stupidity known as the ADIZ.

Those little blue shirt TSA NAZIs are the spawn of hell.

They even made the head of TSA that wrote the regulations take off his shoes at Reagen National. He stated, &quot;I do not have to remove my shoes if the sole of the shoe is part of the shoe and not detachable (think Nike versus dress shoe).&quot;  TSA gimp replied, &quot;Yes you do.&quot;,  He replied, &quot;No I don&#039;t and I wrote the regulation.&quot;.  Hillarity ensued from that point...  hahaha hhahahaha.  Government at its finest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No there does not have to be intent.  The statutes are written such that a violation does not require intent.</p>
<p>Same thing happened to me at Dulles in which I had some work done to my condo and put the .45, mags and a knife in my bag.  I remembered to take out the gun but forget about one mag and the knife.</p>
<p>Same thing &#8230; &#8220;no big deal but we have to write you a ticket for the knife and keep it&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>$1,500 later in lawyer fees the TSA lady that was cool at the airport was an absolute demonic bitch in the courtroom saying that I was responsible for 9/11, the plague of the 1900s and the killing of numerous baby seals.  40 hours of community service later&#8230;&#8230;  </p>
<p>Yay!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also a current pilot with a background clearance to fly within the 5 mile radius of DC&#8217;s ring of stupidity known as the ADIZ.</p>
<p>Those little blue shirt TSA NAZIs are the spawn of hell.</p>
<p>They even made the head of TSA that wrote the regulations take off his shoes at Reagen National. He stated, &#8220;I do not have to remove my shoes if the sole of the shoe is part of the shoe and not detachable (think Nike versus dress shoe).&#8221;  TSA gimp replied, &#8220;Yes you do.&#8221;,  He replied, &#8220;No I don&#8217;t and I wrote the regulation.&#8221;.  Hillarity ensued from that point&#8230;  hahaha hhahahaha.  Government at its finest.</p>
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		<title>By: Be carefull &#171; Firearms &#38; Freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43219</link>
		<dc:creator>Be carefull &#171; Firearms &#38; Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 04:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Be&#160;carefull  Sebastian had some trouble at the airport after forgetting a loaded magazine in a computer bag. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43213</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I left from a formation in full gear at Fort Lewis to catch a plane and tossed my LBE into my carry on bag.  With a 6 inch long gerber knife attached...

That was in 1985, when they were not insane, but they got a bit excited.  But I was in BDUs IIRC so they just made me sign a roster and I had to mail the knife home.  No cops involved, but I did feel like an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left from a formation in full gear at Fort Lewis to catch a plane and tossed my LBE into my carry on bag.  With a 6 inch long gerber knife attached&#8230;</p>
<p>That was in 1985, when they were not insane, but they got a bit excited.  But I was in BDUs IIRC so they just made me sign a roster and I had to mail the knife home.  No cops involved, but I did feel like an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43114</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TSA regulations include gun parts, under the theory that people cooperating could make a live weapon from the parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TSA regulations include gun parts, under the theory that people cooperating could make a live weapon from the parts.</p>
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		<title>By: OldEasterner</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43113</link>
		<dc:creator>OldEasterner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, it was a loaded magazine.&quot;

At first.  Not after you gave him the cartridges.

Why did you have to mail the magazine, at that point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, it was a loaded magazine.&#8221;</p>
<p>At first.  Not after you gave him the cartridges.</p>
<p>Why did you have to mail the magazine, at that point?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43111</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good that you made it back! I would probably have sh*t myself in that situation. &quot;Snowflakes in Prison&quot; would not be as interesting a read as &quot;Snowflakes in Hell&quot; ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good that you made it back! I would probably have sh*t myself in that situation. &#8220;Snowflakes in Prison&#8221; would not be as interesting a read as &#8220;Snowflakes in Hell&#8221; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43108</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That worries me too, Joe, but even if there is a second subsequent event, they likely will still have to prove mens rea, which means they have to prove you were trying to sneak something past security, rather than you were just forgetful.  That seems to me to be the right legal policy.  If you were hiding something in a secret compartment, or making efforts to conceal an object, that shows intent to commit a crime.  But they should have to meet that burden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That worries me too, Joe, but even if there is a second subsequent event, they likely will still have to prove mens rea, which means they have to prove you were trying to sneak something past security, rather than you were just forgetful.  That seems to me to be the right legal policy.  If you were hiding something in a secret compartment, or making efforts to conceal an object, that shows intent to commit a crime.  But they should have to meet that burden.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Huffman</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43105</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Huffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I think about this the more it bugs me.

Aren&#039;t all events supposed to be (for the most part) independent from one another? Just because someone was convicted of burglary last year doesn&#039;t mean the prosecutor can use that against them in a trial over a similar charge next year.

And what is the rational for the threshold of two instances? If I flew on commerical airlines twice a week (as I used to) and I forgot (and got caught with) a loaded magazine twice in three years is that the same severity of &quot;violation&quot; as someone that forgets (and gets caught) twice in two trips?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I think about this the more it bugs me.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t all events supposed to be (for the most part) independent from one another? Just because someone was convicted of burglary last year doesn&#8217;t mean the prosecutor can use that against them in a trial over a similar charge next year.</p>
<p>And what is the rational for the threshold of two instances? If I flew on commerical airlines twice a week (as I used to) and I forgot (and got caught with) a loaded magazine twice in three years is that the same severity of &#8220;violation&#8221; as someone that forgets (and gets caught) twice in two trips?</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43103</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it was a loaded magazine.</description>
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		<title>By: OldEasterner</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43101</link>
		<dc:creator>OldEasterner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, an empty metal box with springs (a/k/a box magazine) is illegal to have in a carry-on?

Why?  How is it covered in the regulations?

What other parts?  I can see a barrel being a no-no -- on the grounds that someone else might sneak a single bullet and someone else a breach block.

Wooden grips?  Okay, or (part of a gun) not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, an empty metal box with springs (a/k/a box magazine) is illegal to have in a carry-on?</p>
<p>Why?  How is it covered in the regulations?</p>
<p>What other parts?  I can see a barrel being a no-no &#8212; on the grounds that someone else might sneak a single bullet and someone else a breach block.</p>
<p>Wooden grips?  Okay, or (part of a gun) not?</p>
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		<title>By: Miguelito</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43098</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguelito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That second offense could be triggered (no pun intended) by even the most innocuous of events. Even a sample bullet or a spent case in carry on could find you hiring lawyers. I would contact a lawyer pro actively. Do it now and see where you really stand at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That second offense could be triggered (no pun intended) by even the most innocuous of events. Even a sample bullet or a spent case in carry on could find you hiring lawyers. I would contact a lawyer pro actively. Do it now and see where you really stand at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: GunPundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sebastian is on a List</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43095</link>
		<dc:creator>GunPundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sebastian is on a List</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 18:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oops. Don&#8217;t forget the spare mag in your carry-on. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AlaskaJim</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43094</link>
		<dc:creator>AlaskaJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 16:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TSA is usually OK. Flown with a firearm a couple of times and have heard that if you want to guarantee your bag will arrive, put a firearm in it. I guess it has to be escorted or guarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TSA is usually OK. Flown with a firearm a couple of times and have heard that if you want to guarantee your bag will arrive, put a firearm in it. I guess it has to be escorted or guarded.</p>
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		<title>By: FatWhiteMan</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43093</link>
		<dc:creator>FatWhiteMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bad part is you had to ditch several hundred dollars worth or .380.</description>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43092</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not looking forward to flying with guns again, I can tell you that.</description>
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		<title>By: Thirdpower</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43090</link>
		<dc:creator>Thirdpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe driving for two days was worth it after all.  I know I would have done something similar.</description>
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		<title>By: kahr40</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43089</link>
		<dc:creator>kahr40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 14:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of years back I had to fly back from vacation on a family emergency out of Melbourne FL. The wife kept the gun to travel by van. I missed the single round of .45 in my bag. Slight delay by TSA but no major problems and no mention of a &quot;list&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of years back I had to fly back from vacation on a family emergency out of Melbourne FL. The wife kept the gun to travel by van. I missed the single round of .45 in my bag. Slight delay by TSA but no major problems and no mention of a &#8220;list&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: M Gallo</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43087</link>
		<dc:creator>M Gallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 14:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t feel too bad - I used to carry some lockpicking tools with me at all times (in the zippered pocket of my &quot;money belt&quot;), in case I forgot my keys or locked myself out of my car or house, or for friends/family that did the same.  If I was wearing pants, I had a way to open locks.  In WI, it&#039;s technically &quot;possession of burglary tools,&quot; but there&#039;s a legal requirement that they be carried with intent to do something illegal for the law to apply, so it&#039;s legit.

Anyways, I went into a Federal building that happened to also be where you paid traffic tickets issued by State Troopers, and set off the metal detector.  Of course, I didn&#039;t even think of the picks until the little wand waved over the back of my belt.  I said &quot;Oh, yeah that&#039;s this zipper,&quot; and flipped the belt over to show the zipper, &quot;it&#039;s supposed to be for holding money or something, I guess.&quot;  He shrugged and waved me through.  I almost went into that same building again a year later, but remembered on the way through the doors, and went back to my car to remove the tools.  I also almost went to the airport with the same...

It&#039;s amazing that something that&#039;s a part of your daily routine, and so familiar to you that you don&#039;t even think about it, can get you in trouble once you cross some arbitrary line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t feel too bad &#8211; I used to carry some lockpicking tools with me at all times (in the zippered pocket of my &#8220;money belt&#8221;), in case I forgot my keys or locked myself out of my car or house, or for friends/family that did the same.  If I was wearing pants, I had a way to open locks.  In WI, it&#8217;s technically &#8220;possession of burglary tools,&#8221; but there&#8217;s a legal requirement that they be carried with intent to do something illegal for the law to apply, so it&#8217;s legit.</p>
<p>Anyways, I went into a Federal building that happened to also be where you paid traffic tickets issued by State Troopers, and set off the metal detector.  Of course, I didn&#8217;t even think of the picks until the little wand waved over the back of my belt.  I said &#8220;Oh, yeah that&#8217;s this zipper,&#8221; and flipped the belt over to show the zipper, &#8220;it&#8217;s supposed to be for holding money or something, I guess.&#8221;  He shrugged and waved me through.  I almost went into that same building again a year later, but remembered on the way through the doors, and went back to my car to remove the tools.  I also almost went to the airport with the same&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing that something that&#8217;s a part of your daily routine, and so familiar to you that you don&#8217;t even think about it, can get you in trouble once you cross some arbitrary line.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/05/19/back-home/#comment-43085</link>
		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 14:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dealing with the TSA idiots is completely hit or miss. The few times I fly (I avoid it, if at all possible), I carry a CPAP machine. For those who don&#039;t know - it&#039;s a breathing machine prescribed for sleep apnea patients. Depending on the airport, time of day, etc. I either sail through or have the thing practically dismantled. My guess, your experience at Phoenix was influenced by the NRA convention. With the huge economic impact to the city, I sure the the mayor let it be known to work with the attendees, and the TSA bosses probably also put the word out to be careful, to keep clear of any adverse publicity. Now if the rest of the airports would try to act as reasonably as your experience, things would certainly be better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dealing with the TSA idiots is completely hit or miss. The few times I fly (I avoid it, if at all possible), I carry a CPAP machine. For those who don&#8217;t know &#8211; it&#8217;s a breathing machine prescribed for sleep apnea patients. Depending on the airport, time of day, etc. I either sail through or have the thing practically dismantled. My guess, your experience at Phoenix was influenced by the NRA convention. With the huge economic impact to the city, I sure the the mayor let it be known to work with the attendees, and the TSA bosses probably also put the word out to be careful, to keep clear of any adverse publicity. Now if the rest of the airports would try to act as reasonably as your experience, things would certainly be better.</p>
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