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	<title>Comments on: More on the Inter-American Arms Treaty</title>
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		<title>By: SMRTNUP</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-43116</link>
		<dc:creator>SMRTNUP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EVERYTHING that the DummyCraps in Congress and White House do is ALWAYS a slick, slight of hand, diversionary, tactical bit of DECIET and TRICKERY !!! . . . It&#039;s a hell of a thing to have to watch our elected officials with a magnifying glass in every little thing they do !!! . . . 

Previous administrations have been caught, at times, in lying or decieving the public once in a while, . . But, . . THIS ADMINISTRATION and THIS CONGRESS CAN&#039;T BE TRUSTED EVEN FOR A MINUTE. . . THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE NATION OR THEIR FELLOW AMERICANS. . . NONE !!!

I am 65 years old and I&#039;ve NEVER seen so much rampant dishonesty and trickery in the U.S. Government. . . This is the most polarizing President and Congress to ever have held office in my lifetime. . . They are driving wedges between groups of people, . not only in America, . but all around the world !!! . . . They are an embarrassing HAZARD looking for someplace to EXPLODE !!! . . . And they will, . . Sooner or later, they will make mistakes which cannot be smoothed over with mere WORDS !!! . . . They&#039;re like a bunch of Keystone Cops running round and round and all over each other. . . 
WHAT A REVOLTING DEVELOPMENT THIS IS, ANDY !!!
WHAT A MESS YOU&#039;VE GOTTEN US INTO !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EVERYTHING that the DummyCraps in Congress and White House do is ALWAYS a slick, slight of hand, diversionary, tactical bit of DECIET and TRICKERY !!! . . . It&#8217;s a hell of a thing to have to watch our elected officials with a magnifying glass in every little thing they do !!! . . . </p>
<p>Previous administrations have been caught, at times, in lying or decieving the public once in a while, . . But, . . THIS ADMINISTRATION and THIS CONGRESS CAN&#8217;T BE TRUSTED EVEN FOR A MINUTE. . . THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE NATION OR THEIR FELLOW AMERICANS. . . NONE !!!</p>
<p>I am 65 years old and I&#8217;ve NEVER seen so much rampant dishonesty and trickery in the U.S. Government. . . This is the most polarizing President and Congress to ever have held office in my lifetime. . . They are driving wedges between groups of people, . not only in America, . but all around the world !!! . . . They are an embarrassing HAZARD looking for someplace to EXPLODE !!! . . . And they will, . . Sooner or later, they will make mistakes which cannot be smoothed over with mere WORDS !!! . . . They&#8217;re like a bunch of Keystone Cops running round and round and all over each other. . .<br />
WHAT A REVOLTING DEVELOPMENT THIS IS, ANDY !!!<br />
WHAT A MESS YOU&#8217;VE GOTTEN US INTO !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Signing Your Rights Away &#171; Justbkuz</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-42556</link>
		<dc:creator>Signing Your Rights Away &#171; Justbkuz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What the treaty does, among other things, is create a global gun registry.  Some analysis here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Freeamerican69&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-42041</link>
		<dc:creator>Freeamerican69&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At the SnowflakesinHell blog, the writer said there&#8217;s no mistaking the language. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Are you licensed to reload that ammo? The Liberty Tree Lantern</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-42008</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Are you licensed to reload that ammo? The Liberty Tree Lantern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At the SnowflakesinHell blog, the writer said there&#8217;s no mistaking the language. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Unhappy &#171; Journey to the Other Side</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-41903</link>
		<dc:creator>Unhappy &#171; Journey to the Other Side</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the ratification of an anti-gun U.N. treaty that would criminalize gunsmithing and ammunition recycling (yes, really) without possessing expensive government [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for the ratification of an anti-gun U.N. treaty that would criminalize gunsmithing and ammunition recycling (yes, really) without possessing expensive government [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Merlin</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-41829</link>
		<dc:creator>Merlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly the treaty REQUIRES the USA to adopt laws that make reloading a crime.  They pass the treaty, then whine that they are duty-bound to adopt the laws.   

&quot;1. States Parties that have not yet done so shall adopt the necessary legislative or other measures to establish as criminal offenses under their domestic law the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly the treaty REQUIRES the USA to adopt laws that make reloading a crime.  They pass the treaty, then whine that they are duty-bound to adopt the laws.   </p>
<p>&#8220;1. States Parties that have not yet done so shall adopt the necessary legislative or other measures to establish as criminal offenses under their domestic law the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Kidd</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-41794</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At what point does one draw the line in the sand???????</description>
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		<title>By: Are you licensed to reload that ammo? Treaty targets reloading and more - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are you licensed to reload that ammo? Treaty targets reloading and more - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] still try to use this treaty to attack gun ownership in the U.S.&quot;  The treaty is available online.  At the SnowflakesinHell blog, the writer said there&#039;s no mistaking the language.  Even accessories &quot;which can be attached to a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] still try to use this treaty to attack gun ownership in the U.S.&#8221;  The treaty is available online.  At the SnowflakesinHell blog, the writer said there&#8217;s no mistaking the language.  Even accessories &#8220;which can be attached to a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Reloading to be Illegal?!! &#171; millerized</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-41727</link>
		<dc:creator>Reloading to be Illegal?!! &#171; millerized</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At the SnowflakesinHell blog, the writer said there&#8217;s no mistaking the language. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: D_Man</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-41715</link>
		<dc:creator>D_Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look for one piece of legislation some time to pop up that would require all firearm transfers between individuals to also go have to go through an FFL so there is a record of it.  If guns were then banned about 10 years later then all they would have to do is come to your door and say &quot;okay we see you bought all these guns in the last 10 years and we want them now&quot;.  Then if you did not give up the guns, or give up where they went, then they could assume you are either A)Hiding the guns or B)Sold them to someone else, and since the sale would have been illegal at the time then they&#039;ve got you either way.  You couldn&#039;t just say &quot;well Is old it so someone at a gunshow or a garage sale&quot; because that type of sale would have then been illegal.  Watch for the gun banners to push for this type of legislation the hardest, because it would be absolutely required to make a gun ban work in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look for one piece of legislation some time to pop up that would require all firearm transfers between individuals to also go have to go through an FFL so there is a record of it.  If guns were then banned about 10 years later then all they would have to do is come to your door and say &#8220;okay we see you bought all these guns in the last 10 years and we want them now&#8221;.  Then if you did not give up the guns, or give up where they went, then they could assume you are either A)Hiding the guns or B)Sold them to someone else, and since the sale would have been illegal at the time then they&#8217;ve got you either way.  You couldn&#8217;t just say &#8220;well Is old it so someone at a gunshow or a garage sale&#8221; because that type of sale would have then been illegal.  Watch for the gun banners to push for this type of legislation the hardest, because it would be absolutely required to make a gun ban work in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama stopping reloading and home gunsmithing - The Hull Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama stopping reloading and home gunsmithing - The Hull Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] try to use this treaty to attack gun ownership in the U.S.&quot;  The treaty is available online.  At the SnowflakesinHell blog, the writer said there&#039;s no mistaking the language.  Even accessories &quot;which can be attached to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: President Obama Announces Support for Firearms Treaty NRA-ILA GRASSROOTS ALERT Vol. - INGunOwners</title>
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		<dc:creator>President Obama Announces Support for Firearms Treaty NRA-ILA GRASSROOTS ALERT Vol. - INGunOwners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] try to use this treaty to attack gun ownership in the U.S.&quot;  The treaty is available online.  At the SnowflakesinHell blog, the writer said there&#039;s no mistaking the language.  Even accessories &quot;which can be attached to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] try to use this treaty to attack gun ownership in the U.S.&quot;  The treaty is available online.  At the SnowflakesinHell blog, the writer said there&#8217;s no mistaking the language.  Even accessories &quot;which can be attached to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Snowflakes in Hell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; One Way GOA Could Make Itself Useful</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-41590</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowflakes in Hell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; One Way GOA Could Make Itself Useful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seems pretty clear that Obama is willing to push a treaty that would appear to require extensive licensing in order to parti..., as well as requiring the United States to share such licensing information with the Mexican [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] seems pretty clear that Obama is willing to push a treaty that would appear to require extensive licensing in order to parti&#8230;, as well as requiring the United States to share such licensing information with the Mexican [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-41584</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 05:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might sound stupid but how would a I put all this info into a letter to my congress critters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might sound stupid but how would a I put all this info into a letter to my congress critters?</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-41583</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not addressed, because it&#039;s not the case.  Only US courts have jurisdiction over matters of American Law.  The party states can make all the protests they want, but the can&#039;t force the United States to pass any law.  There&#039;s no decision by any international body that would make law binding on the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not addressed, because it&#8217;s not the case.  Only US courts have jurisdiction over matters of American Law.  The party states can make all the protests they want, but the can&#8217;t force the United States to pass any law.  There&#8217;s no decision by any international body that would make law binding on the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One very important item that I did not see in the discussion (forgive me if I missed it.) The impact of treaties is that interpretation of those treaties is subject to international law. When that occurs, it matters not at all what our constitution or federal or state laws say, only what the international courts say. Do you want to be subject to interpretation of this treaty by the leading members of the UN, including Russia and other countries with such substantial adherence to individual rights?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One very important item that I did not see in the discussion (forgive me if I missed it.) The impact of treaties is that interpretation of those treaties is subject to international law. When that occurs, it matters not at all what our constitution or federal or state laws say, only what the international courts say. Do you want to be subject to interpretation of this treaty by the leading members of the UN, including Russia and other countries with such substantial adherence to individual rights?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Warden</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2009/04/16/more-on-the-inter-american-arms-treaty/#comment-41569</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Warden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In though the back door policy again, just when you think they aren&#039;t looking they get you.</description>
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		<title>By: TatankaGap</title>
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		<dc:creator>TatankaGap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back door all the way: Obama pushes treaty; Senate ratifies on Democrat agenda; and Dems then use treaty as excuse to pass a variety of legislation to register and track arms - all of which tests Heller under other Constitutional provisions such as treaty law, foreign policy powers of President to implement treaties, etc. ~ we know Roberts et al love enhancing Presidential Powers - so that&#039;s a back door for Obama to use Presidential Powers and Treaties to force through legislation that would otherwise not make it (e.g., HR 45 - Blair Holt....)

All gun owners should IMHO oppose this immediately and start writing well-written letters to their Senators explaining why this Treaty is not needed and is being used to leverage Obama&#039;s anti-gun agenda - quite obviously as reported in the press - 

No reason to let Barry do indirectly through Treaties what we don&#039;t want him (and Feinstein/Pelosi) to do directly through legislation and enforcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back door all the way: Obama pushes treaty; Senate ratifies on Democrat agenda; and Dems then use treaty as excuse to pass a variety of legislation to register and track arms &#8211; all of which tests Heller under other Constitutional provisions such as treaty law, foreign policy powers of President to implement treaties, etc. ~ we know Roberts et al love enhancing Presidential Powers &#8211; so that&#8217;s a back door for Obama to use Presidential Powers and Treaties to force through legislation that would otherwise not make it (e.g., HR 45 &#8211; Blair Holt&#8230;.)</p>
<p>All gun owners should IMHO oppose this immediately and start writing well-written letters to their Senators explaining why this Treaty is not needed and is being used to leverage Obama&#8217;s anti-gun agenda &#8211; quite obviously as reported in the press &#8211; </p>
<p>No reason to let Barry do indirectly through Treaties what we don&#8217;t want him (and Feinstein/Pelosi) to do directly through legislation and enforcement.</p>
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		<title>By: The Inter-American Arms Treaty (CIFTA) &#171; Stuff From Hsoi</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Inter-American Arms Treaty (CIFTA) &#171; Stuff From Hsoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sebastian has good coverage. The NRA&#8217;s statement. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sebastian has good coverage. The NRA&#8217;s statement. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, I&#039;m in the logistics business, in the context it is used in the document &#039;carriers&#039; refers to entities that are licensed to transport weapons, ammo, explosives etc. in bulk, i.e. common carriers.  This would refer to trucking companies, rail shippers, cargo airlines, cargo ships, and the like.  The document sucks, but you don&#039;t need to worry about that particular piece applying to OC or CC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, I&#8217;m in the logistics business, in the context it is used in the document &#8216;carriers&#8217; refers to entities that are licensed to transport weapons, ammo, explosives etc. in bulk, i.e. common carriers.  This would refer to trucking companies, rail shippers, cargo airlines, cargo ships, and the like.  The document sucks, but you don&#8217;t need to worry about that particular piece applying to OC or CC.</p>
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		<title>By: Oppose the Inter-American Arms Treaty &#171; Gun Nuts Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oppose the Inter-American Arms Treaty &#171; Gun Nuts Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] April 17, 2009 by Caleb   Sebastian has a good rundown of the danger that&#8217;s before us if the Inter-American Arms Treaty, also known as CIFTA is ratified by the Senate. We&#8217;re already signatories to this thing, thanks to President Clinton, but the Senate has [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] April 17, 2009 by Caleb   Sebastian has a good rundown of the danger that&#8217;s before us if the Inter-American Arms Treaty, also known as CIFTA is ratified by the Senate. We&#8217;re already signatories to this thing, thanks to President Clinton, but the Senate has [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found all that stuff too, from the 90s. NRA said quite emphatically that none of it was true. Sounds like they were able to observe, but had no part in drafting language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found all that stuff too, from the 90s. NRA said quite emphatically that none of it was true. Sounds like they were able to observe, but had no part in drafting language.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Left out the last link, to BASIC:  
http://www.basicint.org/pubs/Research/1999onesize3b.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Left out the last link, to BASIC:<br />
<a href="http://www.basicint.org/pubs/Research/1999onesize3b.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.basicint.org/pubs/Research/1999onesize3b.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skullz:  a fair point.  I had to search for the first place I read that, and it turns out to be secondary.  From a 1999 article:

&quot;What the OAS Convention studiously avoids is the question of civilian ownership and possession of firearms. Some attribute this omission to the participation of the National Rifle Association (NRA) in the convention drafting process. Critics charge that the NRA&#039;s main objective was to ensure that the text would contain no recommendations for modifying existing domestic gun laws. The result is a treaty which uses the bilateral programs the U.S. conducts in Latin America as a model for regional cooperative efforts as OAS states try to improve and harmonize their arms control measures. The OAS Convention would not require the United States to make significant changes to domestic laws, so when ratification finally moves forward there is little doubt that the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will ratify the OAS Convention expeditiously.&quot;

http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?documentid=685&amp;programID=23&amp;from_page=../friendlyversion/printversion.cfm

The CDI, Center for Defense Information, claims to be founded and staffed by retired military officers, but there are charges it&#039;s got a leftist or even Marxist bent.  So, their assertion the NRA watered it down may have been tactical.

Here&#039;s something, though.  A Federation of American Scientists (another anti-gun, pro-ratification group) report also asserts the NRA had some influence.  On page 41:  

&quot;Statements made by US gun rights groups confirm that at least some of their views and concerns were addressed during the drafting of the Convention.  Shortly after the conclusion of the drafting process, an analyst from the British American Security Information Council interviewed Tom Mason, a representative for the National Rifle Association, who reportedly expressed satisfaction with the influence his organization was able to exert over the process.&quot;

http://fas.org/asmp/library/OAS/FullReport.pdf

So, alright, google BASIC.  From their 1999 report:

&quot;While support from Washington was critical to the agreeing of the OAS Convention, the US gun lobby and its interpretation of the constitutional &quot;right to bear arms&quot; had a negative impact on the negotiations. In particular, the gun lobby&#039;s influence is reflected in the fact that the OAS Convention explicitly states that the agreement is purely a law enforcement measure and is not intended to infringe on domestic legislation or to require any legislative changes &quot;pertaining to firearms ownership, possession, or trade wholly of a domestic character.&quot;36

...

Tom Mason, a lobbyist for the NRA, said that the gun lobby was pleased with the influence it had on the process. In particular, he pointed to the inclusion of a paragraph in the preamble to the convention referencing the &quot;different cultural and historical uses for firearms&quot; and stating that the convention &quot;is not intended to discourage or diminish lawful leisure or recreational activities.&quot;38&quot;

This one seems to be the original source.  38 footnotes to:  &quot;Geraldine O&#039;Callaghan interview with Tom Mason, National Rifle Association, 22 October 1997,&quot; which I can&#039;t find online, but Geraldine O&#039;Callaghan is one of the authors of the paper, so it&#039;s either unpublished or she&#039;s bluffing.

I should have said &quot;influenced&quot; instead of &quot;involved in,&quot; but there&#039;s a credible claim there.  And again, it may well have been for the best, but it&#039;s a strategy I think can backfire.  In any case, when I first posted LaPierre&#039;s statement wasn&#039;t out yet, and part of my concern was that they&#039;d be backed into a compromise in some way.  So the LaPierre statement goes a long way with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skullz:  a fair point.  I had to search for the first place I read that, and it turns out to be secondary.  From a 1999 article:</p>
<p>&#8220;What the OAS Convention studiously avoids is the question of civilian ownership and possession of firearms. Some attribute this omission to the participation of the National Rifle Association (NRA) in the convention drafting process. Critics charge that the NRA&#8217;s main objective was to ensure that the text would contain no recommendations for modifying existing domestic gun laws. The result is a treaty which uses the bilateral programs the U.S. conducts in Latin America as a model for regional cooperative efforts as OAS states try to improve and harmonize their arms control measures. The OAS Convention would not require the United States to make significant changes to domestic laws, so when ratification finally moves forward there is little doubt that the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will ratify the OAS Convention expeditiously.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?documentid=685&amp;programID=23&amp;from_page=../friendlyversion/printversion.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?documentid=685&amp;programID=23&amp;from_page=../friendlyversion/printversion.cfm</a></p>
<p>The CDI, Center for Defense Information, claims to be founded and staffed by retired military officers, but there are charges it&#8217;s got a leftist or even Marxist bent.  So, their assertion the NRA watered it down may have been tactical.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s something, though.  A Federation of American Scientists (another anti-gun, pro-ratification group) report also asserts the NRA had some influence.  On page 41:  </p>
<p>&#8220;Statements made by US gun rights groups confirm that at least some of their views and concerns were addressed during the drafting of the Convention.  Shortly after the conclusion of the drafting process, an analyst from the British American Security Information Council interviewed Tom Mason, a representative for the National Rifle Association, who reportedly expressed satisfaction with the influence his organization was able to exert over the process.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://fas.org/asmp/library/OAS/FullReport.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://fas.org/asmp/library/OAS/FullReport.pdf</a></p>
<p>So, alright, google BASIC.  From their 1999 report:</p>
<p>&#8220;While support from Washington was critical to the agreeing of the OAS Convention, the US gun lobby and its interpretation of the constitutional &#8220;right to bear arms&#8221; had a negative impact on the negotiations. In particular, the gun lobby&#8217;s influence is reflected in the fact that the OAS Convention explicitly states that the agreement is purely a law enforcement measure and is not intended to infringe on domestic legislation or to require any legislative changes &#8220;pertaining to firearms ownership, possession, or trade wholly of a domestic character.&#8221;36</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Tom Mason, a lobbyist for the NRA, said that the gun lobby was pleased with the influence it had on the process. In particular, he pointed to the inclusion of a paragraph in the preamble to the convention referencing the &#8220;different cultural and historical uses for firearms&#8221; and stating that the convention &#8220;is not intended to discourage or diminish lawful leisure or recreational activities.&#8221;38&#8243;</p>
<p>This one seems to be the original source.  38 footnotes to:  &#8220;Geraldine O&#8217;Callaghan interview with Tom Mason, National Rifle Association, 22 October 1997,&#8221; which I can&#8217;t find online, but Geraldine O&#8217;Callaghan is one of the authors of the paper, so it&#8217;s either unpublished or she&#8217;s bluffing.</p>
<p>I should have said &#8220;influenced&#8221; instead of &#8220;involved in,&#8221; but there&#8217;s a credible claim there.  And again, it may well have been for the best, but it&#8217;s a strategy I think can backfire.  In any case, when I first posted LaPierre&#8217;s statement wasn&#8217;t out yet, and part of my concern was that they&#8217;d be backed into a compromise in some way.  So the LaPierre statement goes a long way with me.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Silverbids.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gun Grabbers: More on the Inter-American Arms Treaty</dc:creator>
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