Because I live in Illinois, it is possible for me to vote without affecting the general election race. That said, I am no huge fan of McCain but would prefer him over Obama. Generally, I tend to be libertarian in philosophy. Strongly conservative fiscally, and “liberal” when it comes to social issues. Basically, a “free choice” kind of person, and I automatically defer to the position where individual liberties are favored.

McCain just looks like a grumpy old man on the campaign trail, he looked pretty good on SNL though.

Maybe he does have future after today.

Sorry–couldn’t resist.

I’ll be honest, I’m not a huge fan of McCain. I’m supporting him because as much as I would prefer someone else, it’s either him or Obama, and I find the thought of McCain winning to be less revolting. McCain will do things that will piss me off. That’s a guarantee. But so did Bush. I do think that McCain is an improvement over Bush.

Is it only about the second amendment for you or there other issues agree with McCain on?

Raich was an abomination, but I would point out that the dissenting justices there were Thomas, O’Conner, and Rehnquist, all of which are conservative. Scalia’s concurrence hurt though. A lot. I thought he was willing to take federalism where it needed to be, and he wasn’t.

I think the present justices have sold their souls when it comes to states rights “Medical Marijuana” Antonin Scalia and Anthony M. Kennedy,for example. I just do not trust the conservative justices anymore. These guys have voted all over the map.

I, like you worry about Obama’s choices for the court, it very well not bode well for the second amendment, and at the same time this is the court that subverted the will of the voters by anointing George W.Bush, talk about a subversion of states ’ rights.

I just can’t in good consciences vote on one issue and I more scared of Sarah Palin and her lack of mental capacity than anything else in this election. This woman is so unqualified to be President it makes me doubt the intelligence of the Republican Party, to nominate that women created more doubt about the Republican Party then anything they have ever done.

George Carlin’s quote keeps ringing in my ears “Imagine how dumb the average American is, and then realize that half of them are even dumber than that!”

I hope that’s true, David. But the fact is, the guy’s record doesn’t indicate that’s the case. He will likely confirm justices that are not going to support the Second Amendment as actually meaning anything. He might even get enough votes on the Supreme Court to overturn Heller. Obama might not be thinking about screwing gun owners when he does it, but he will most decidedly appoint justices who want to unbind the government from the limits imposed on it by the constitution.

I don’t believe Obama will take on Heller and the folks like you who are represented in this blog, for one simple reason there is no political up side in doing so and as we’ve seen Obama is a pragmatist. Maybe in his second term when he has nothing to lose, remember the game is about power and taking on the second is one way to lose it. So do not worry, not now.

And if you think our firearm rights are as settled as Roe V. Wade, you obviously have not been paying attention. There are, unfortunately, many end-runs, round-abouts, and evasive things people like Obama can do to further infringe upon our Second Amendment rights, even accounting for Heller. And given Obama’s stance on firearms in the past, I have no doubt, whatsoever, that he will try.

Just because you are not alone does not make your actions any less idiotic… it just means you have other idiots to keep you company on the way down.

So… a blind, hypocritical idiot… you may not be a liar, but you certainly are something.

What makes you think it’s as established as Roe v. Wade. Roe itself was built on other cases, and it’s been upheld numerous times in numerous circumstances. We really only have Heller which was ruled on just this year. Heller really just settled that it was an individual right, and that a total ban on handguns was a violation of that right. It settled little else.

The Second Amendment is hardly settled law. It is, in fact, far more vulnerable than abortion.

Linoge’s bullshit

I will defend your right to call me whatever you want under the First Amendment, then I will kick your ass for calling me a liar, because that is personal and not really a constitution question.

I believe that our second amendment rights are settled law, kind of like Roe V Wade. It will take a hell of a lot to change that in the future. Besides since I know that my guns are my constitutional right I ain’t given them up, period. .

If you are really interested where I am coming from as a Libertarian Republican and why I support Obama I invite you to follow the posted link from the Economist Magazine, http://www.the37thframe.org/ I am not alone.

i admit…
if i were a boss putting together a list of employees to lay off…i would first survey the parking lot for cars with mccain/palin bumper stickers…and factor those findings into my decision on who to axe. just sayin’

Compare and contrast that to our public proclamation of refusal to spend money in a way that could very well be used to suppress our rights, and suggesting that other like-minded folks to do likewise.

Who are the “fascists,” again?

You say you believe you need to be able to defend the First Amendment. So, I suppose, your definition of “defending” the First Amendment is telling someone you disagree with to “shut the fuck up”?

And I suppose your definition of “defending” the Second Amendment is voting for a Presidential candidate who has a demonstrable and recorded history of being one of the most anti-firearms, anti-firearm-rights, and anti-rights-in-general politician in recent history?

Well, the two certainly make sense when taken together – Obama has tried to silence anyone dissenting with him, and he has always said he was pro-Second-Amendment… while he constantly strived to undermine it.

Maybe you two really are suited for each other…

Well Tom, I do support the First and the Second, I believe you just need to be able to defend both. Since you cannot meet my wager amount what can you afford? It should be enough to hurt you when you lose, otherwise why bother. I would challenge you to a dual for besmirching my honor but it seems that is frowned upon these days.

If you read Obama’s tax plan looks like I will be getting more money back also, I make under $250,000 a year.

I had no intention of causing heat to come down on Dave Young’s Gunsmithing in fact I didn’t even know about him until you pointed him out. Carl’s post is closer to the point on the nom de plume.

My blog handle is a nom de plume.

A nom de plume is a pseudonym adopted by an author to conceal their real identity. That’s fine.

I just wanted to mention that this is NOT the second amendment history scholar “David E. Young” that some of us know … the one who published the books “The Founders’ View of the Right to Bear Arms: A Definitive History of the Second Amendment” and “The Origin of the Second Amendment: A Documentary History of the Bill of Rights.”

See this too. It’s all cited, you can look it up.

I see you support the first as well as the second. Maybe when my obamadollars™ role in I’ll take you up on that, in the mean time I’m just a guy working on movies with hazardous chemicals and no healthcare and content with that fact. Hell, should Obama get in maybe I’ll just kick back and collect some of your cash, you seem to have more then me and I’d be more then happy to take some and put it to good use.

“Finally I am not Dave Young of Dave Young’s Gunsmithing Service so do not go after the wrong guy, we all know how tolerant you are of dissent.”

Well then, it’s either a coincidence you pick that name and come here peddling all kinds of BS or a ploy to try to bring down some unwarranted heat on the guy…or just more lies.

You are absolutely right the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution refers to our creator and our unalienable rights. It also lays the foundation for why the second amendment is so important. “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Safety and Happiness.”
Jefferson also understood that in order for power to flow from the governed that the governed had to be in a position of power. That’s why we have that right guaranteed, not the right to go hunting or for personal protection even those probably fall under the right of life and the pursuit of happiness.

“What country can preserve its liberties,
if its rulers are not warned from time to time that
this people preserve the spirit of resistance?
Let them take arms.” Thomas Jefferson

Thanks for making my point clearer.

For your perusal:

The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies
In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. –That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

You are right, you are born with these rights, but they are not recognized by the constitution as given by god. The constitution doesn’t even mention God.

I also agree with your quotes from the constitution, funny how the republicans (RINOS) have ignored them for over eight years.

Obama is not my Messiah; I don’t think the Messiah has even returned. I do trust my intuition that Obama is the most honest politico I have heard since Goldwater. I do not agree with him on lots of issues, but I do believe he is genuine.

By the way if you wish to wager if I am a Republican, I will gladly take your money over your slithering mouth. I have been a Republican for 40 years from an old politically active Republican Family. Also point in fact a very close relative of mine appeared in the NRA campaign “I am the NRA”. So keep guessing or wager me, after watching my retirement tank we should make the bet for some real $$ how about $10,000. We can meet in Reno, Vegas or Atlantic City to keep it legal. I am a retired Airline Transport Pilot (another hint keep googling) so wherever you want go is just fine with me. If you don’t take the bet and wimp out shut the fuck up and don’t ever call me a liar again.

Finally I am not Dave Young of Dave Young’s Gunsmithing Service so do not go after the wrong guy, we all know how tolerant you are of dissent.

My blog handle is a nom de plume.