Comments on: Chris Cox vs. Paul Helmke on Fox News http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/10/30/chris-cox-vs-paul-helmke-on-fox-news/ Firearms Policy and Politics in Pennsylvania Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:20:22 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sebastian http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/10/30/chris-cox-vs-paul-helmke-on-fox-news/#comment-32256 Sebastian Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:48:25 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=6250#comment-32256 Bob Barr isn't going to be president. I don't even think he's polling a percent at this point. We don't control the media, and what the media is going to report. Truth be told, I think McCain should hit Obama on the gun issue, but because McCain is weak on that too, he's probably reluctant. Obama's perfect come back would be: "I know you and I agree on sensible regulations John. You yourself have expressed support for closing the gun show loophole. Would you be willing to agree right now, that whoever wins this election, we can work together on this one?" That would be the perfect way for Obama to back McCain into a corner on guns. Yes, this was a weakness of McCain. That's why I didn't vote for him in the primaries. But Bob Barr isn't going to win even if every second amendment advocate votes for him. It's either going to be McCain or Obama taking the oath of office on 1/20/09. Bob Barr isn’t going to be president. I don’t even think he’s polling a percent at this point. We don’t control the media, and what the media is going to report. Truth be told, I think McCain should hit Obama on the gun issue, but because McCain is weak on that too, he’s probably reluctant. Obama’s perfect come back would be:

“I know you and I agree on sensible regulations John. You yourself have expressed support for closing the gun show loophole. Would you be willing to agree right now, that whoever wins this election, we can work together on this one?”

That would be the perfect way for Obama to back McCain into a corner on guns. Yes, this was a weakness of McCain. That’s why I didn’t vote for him in the primaries. But Bob Barr isn’t going to win even if every second amendment advocate votes for him. It’s either going to be McCain or Obama taking the oath of office on 1/20/09.

]]> By: Thane Eichenauer http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/10/30/chris-cox-vs-paul-helmke-on-fox-news/#comment-32255 Thane Eichenauer Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:42:18 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=6250#comment-32255 Sebastian, if the media climate is not conducive to making guns an issue now, when will it EVER be conducive? Failing to advance the case that law-abiding citizens are being prohibited from defending themselves in Chicago (and throughout the US) is a fine issue and should always be advocated. I imagine even John "Gun-show-loophole" McCain could fine some photogenic Chicago grandmothers who fear for their safety and have been waiting years to obtain government permission to buy, keep and bear arms if furtherance of their own personal safety. If McCain chooses not to it is because his support for RKBA is soft. Bob Barr for President! http://www.bobbarr2008.com/articles/?tag=Second%20Amendment Sebastian, if the media climate is not conducive to making guns an issue now, when will it EVER be conducive?
Failing to advance the case that law-abiding citizens are being prohibited from defending themselves in Chicago (and throughout the US) is a fine issue and should always be advocated.
I imagine even John “Gun-show-loophole” McCain could fine some photogenic Chicago grandmothers who fear for their safety and have been waiting years to obtain government permission to buy, keep and bear arms if furtherance of their own personal safety. If McCain chooses not to it is because his support for RKBA is soft.
Bob Barr for President!
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/articles/?tag=Second%20Amendment

]]> By: J. Dock http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/10/30/chris-cox-vs-paul-helmke-on-fox-news/#comment-32246 J. Dock Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:31:48 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=6250#comment-32246 Is it just me, or does Paul Helmke's tone on the Fox site seem tentative and weak? It's almost as if the piece was written reluctantly, because the victim disarmament folks know that their Chosen One has a profound anti-2A bias - and potential political weakness. Is it just me, or does Paul Helmke’s tone on the Fox site seem tentative and weak? It’s almost as if the piece was written reluctantly, because the victim disarmament folks know that their Chosen One has a profound anti-2A bias – and potential political weakness.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/10/30/chris-cox-vs-paul-helmke-on-fox-news/#comment-32240 Sebastian Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:49:04 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=6250#comment-32240 We've had a few Joe the Gun Owners. The incident that prompted Obama to say "Even if I want to take your guns, I don't have the votes in Congress" happened in Pennsylvania, and was from a hand picked Democratic audience. When Obama gets questioned about guns, he reverts to talking points, which are bullshit. As much as I'd like to see McCain skewer Obama on guns, you have to remember that McCain's record on the issue has some large holes in it too, and you don't want to give Obama the chance to drive a bus through them. Obama is better off not talking about guns, and McCain is going to be better off letting NRA be the attack dog. The media climate right now is also not conducive to making guns an issue. They were eagar to jump on the issue in 2000 and 2004, but this time they aren't going to do anything that will endanger Obama, like the gun issue damaged Gore and Kerry. They have an election to win. We’ve had a few Joe the Gun Owners. The incident that prompted Obama to say “Even if I want to take your guns, I don’t have the votes in Congress” happened in Pennsylvania, and was from a hand picked Democratic audience. When Obama gets questioned about guns, he reverts to talking points, which are bullshit. As much as I’d like to see McCain skewer Obama on guns, you have to remember that McCain’s record on the issue has some large holes in it too, and you don’t want to give Obama the chance to drive a bus through them. Obama is better off not talking about guns, and McCain is going to be better off letting NRA be the attack dog. The media climate right now is also not conducive to making guns an issue. They were eagar to jump on the issue in 2000 and 2004, but this time they aren’t going to do anything that will endanger Obama, like the gun issue damaged Gore and Kerry. They have an election to win.

]]> By: Melancton Smith http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/10/30/chris-cox-vs-paul-helmke-on-fox-news/#comment-32238 Melancton Smith Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:38:27 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=6250#comment-32238 Where is Joe the Gun Owner? I'd like to hear him ask Obama if he supports Chicago's ban on handguns? Does he think the Second Amendment applies to Chicago as it does DC? Where is Joe the Gun Owner?

I’d like to hear him ask Obama if he supports Chicago’s ban on handguns? Does he think the Second Amendment applies to Chicago as it does DC?

]]> By: Alphecca » Yet More on Obama and Gun Control http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/10/30/chris-cox-vs-paul-helmke-on-fox-news/#comment-32221 Alphecca » Yet More on Obama and Gun Control Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:13:03 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=6250#comment-32221 [...] Update: Sebastian has more. [...] [...] Update: Sebastian has more. [...]

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