Comments on: Careful Over There http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/ Firearms Policy and Politics in Pennsylvania Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:36:01 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Navy Vet from Jersey http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-29015 Navy Vet from Jersey Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:48:47 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-29015 It was not until I got in the Navy, and met so many other people from across the country, that I gained the impression that so many people from across the country hate New Jersey. Stories such as Mark B's above now make me understand why. It was not until I got in the Navy, and met so many other people from across the country, that I gained the impression that so many people from across the country hate New Jersey.

Stories such as Mark B’s above now make me understand why.

]]> By: Mark B http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-29005 Mark B Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:07:33 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-29005 I live in SC. My CWP instructor was a police officer for the city of Greenville. Back in '98 when I took his course he told us of a group of officers from the GPD who had to travel through NJ on their way to some Law Enforcement type instruction. They called ahead along the route that they would travel to find out how different states wanted certain types of equipment transported. NJ flatly told them that if anybody came into NJ with any firearms, they would be arrested. No professional courtesy would be extended to LEOs. They made arrangements to not travel through NJ. Welcome to the PRNJ! I live in SC. My CWP instructor was a police officer for the city of Greenville. Back in ‘98 when I took his course he told us of a group of officers from the GPD who had to travel through NJ on their way to some Law Enforcement type instruction. They called ahead along the route that they would travel to find out how different states wanted certain types of equipment transported. NJ flatly told them that if anybody came into NJ with any firearms, they would be arrested. No professional courtesy would be extended to LEOs. They made arrangements to not travel through NJ.

Welcome to the PRNJ!

]]> By: chris http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28971 chris Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:08:10 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28971 They are not illegal until they are put in a gun. You are allowed to have them in your home. You can have them loaded in a gun in your home. You are allowed to transport them to a range and shoot them at the range. You are NOT allowed to have them loaded in a gun outside of your home or a range. They are not illegal until they are put in a gun.

You are allowed to have them in your home. You can have them loaded in a gun in your home. You are allowed to transport them to a range and shoot them at the range.

You are NOT allowed to have them loaded in a gun outside of your home or a range.

]]> By: Stuck in Jersey http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28968 Stuck in Jersey Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:52:29 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28968 I don't know what exactly makes HP's illegal in NJ, but go to any gun show, and they've got them, along with the wax/plastic versions, which I'm told, are not really HP's, but they function the same way. Nellie, who comments here, sums it up, second response btw...... http://volokh.com/posts/1177026951.shtml I don’t know what exactly makes HP’s illegal in NJ, but go to any gun show, and they’ve got them, along with the wax/plastic versions, which I’m told, are not really HP’s, but they function the same way.

Nellie, who comments here, sums it up, second response btw……

http://volokh.com/posts/1177026951.shtml

]]> By: TangoSix http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28965 TangoSix Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:27:28 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28965 Evan (Nappen), a dear fellow, has said: the difference between Pennsylvania and New Jersey is that, in Pennsylvania everything (weapon-wise) is legal - with certain exceptions; in New Jersey everything is illegal - with certain exceptions. I know they have arrested travelers passing through the state; they have harassed Pa Cops; and, they've even tried to bust Federal law enforcement officers. One notes that, in going over to New Jersey, the bridges are free, however, in coming back to Pennsylvania, one must pay a toll: I've always considered this to be a ransom. Old saying: Will the last American out of New Jersey please bring the colors." Evan (Nappen), a dear fellow, has said: the difference between Pennsylvania and New Jersey is that, in Pennsylvania everything (weapon-wise) is legal – with certain exceptions; in New Jersey everything is illegal – with certain exceptions. I know they have arrested travelers passing through the state; they have harassed Pa Cops; and, they’ve even tried to bust Federal law enforcement officers.

One notes that, in going over to New Jersey, the bridges are free, however, in coming back to Pennsylvania, one must pay a toll: I’ve always considered this to be a ransom.

Old saying: Will the last American out of New Jersey please bring the colors.”

]]> By: mike w. http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28964 mike w. Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:21:47 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28964 I suppose you could use JSP's or EFMJ's, though I wouldn't want to be stopped and have to explain that while they aren't FMJ they're not HP's either. I suppose you could use JSP’s or EFMJ’s, though I wouldn’t want to be stopped and have to explain that while they aren’t FMJ they’re not HP’s either.

]]> By: Weer'd Beard http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28952 Weer'd Beard Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:39:21 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28952 That's NOTHING! In Mass our opression is BETTER! Here not only will a .22 (Hollow or solid) land you in Jail, but even spent cases, bullets, even novelty jewlry made from ammo could land you in the grey bar hotel if you don't have a mass firearms licence ($100 + Training course good for only 1 year for non-residents) That’s NOTHING! In Mass our opression is BETTER! Here not only will a .22 (Hollow or solid) land you in Jail, but even spent cases, bullets, even novelty jewlry made from ammo could land you in the grey bar hotel if you don’t have a mass firearms licence ($100 + Training course good for only 1 year for non-residents)

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28951 Sebastian Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:34:17 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28951 The Hollow point ammo law dates back to 1978 The Hollow point ammo law dates back to 1978

]]> By: OrangeNeckInNY http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28950 OrangeNeckInNY Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:16:39 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28950 It's sad but true. Hollow point ammo is banned in NJ. NYC police officers crossing over into NJ is liable to get arrested just like the rest of us, because NY cops use Hollow Point bullets in their firearms. Why? Because Hollow Point ammo do not ricochet like FMJ bullets do. FMJ bullets are what NJ cops are required to use. They banned HP bullets (in a round of 'feel-good' legislation idiocy) because the idiot politicians think they are more dangerous than FMJs, but they don't realize that FMJs have a greater tendency to ricochet and hit an innocent bystander. NY Police adopted the use of HP bullets because of this. This is the perfect example of not using any common sense from the folks over there in NJ. HOWEVER, if you use a Jacketed Hollow Point, there's no way they can tell, is there? It’s sad but true. Hollow point ammo is banned in NJ. NYC police officers crossing over into NJ is liable to get arrested just like the rest of us, because NY cops use Hollow Point bullets in their firearms. Why? Because Hollow Point ammo do not ricochet like FMJ bullets do. FMJ bullets are what NJ cops are required to use. They banned HP bullets (in a round of ‘feel-good’ legislation idiocy) because the idiot politicians think they are more dangerous than FMJs, but they don’t realize that FMJs have a greater tendency to ricochet and hit an innocent bystander. NY Police adopted the use of HP bullets because of this. This is the perfect example of not using any common sense from the folks over there in NJ. HOWEVER, if you use a Jacketed Hollow Point, there’s no way they can tell, is there?

]]> By: Mike w. http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28949 Mike w. Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:10:38 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28949 If I can I'd like to avoid ever traveling into New Jersey. If I can I’d like to avoid ever traveling into New Jersey.

]]> By: 1911aficionado http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28948 1911aficionado Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:06:22 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28948 I'd love to have been a fly on the wall back when these Jersey politicians sat around and discussed their idea on banning hollow-points. I believe this had to have happened some 40 years ago, back when most of New Jersey's wacky gun-grabbing laws got passed to begin with. Did these people honestly think back then that FMJ bullets would be "safer" if and when somebody got shot by them? Or, were they simply just thinking that hollow-point bullets were a gazillion times more lethal than any other type of bullets? I'll bet that either one or all of those New Jersey politician jokers back then had just TV shows and movies for their general frame of reference in regards to what firearms and bullets are actually capable of. This was back when "The Man from U.N.C.L.E."</a> was on television, and James Bond was hugely popular in the cinema. I’d love to have been a fly on the wall back when these Jersey politicians sat around and discussed their idea on banning hollow-points. I believe this had to have happened some 40 years ago, back when most of New Jersey’s wacky gun-grabbing laws got passed to begin with. Did these people honestly think back then that FMJ bullets would be “safer” if and when somebody got shot by them? Or, were they simply just thinking that hollow-point bullets were a gazillion times more lethal than any other type of bullets?

I’ll bet that either one or all of those New Jersey politician jokers back then had just TV shows and movies for their general frame of reference in regards to what firearms and bullets are actually capable of. This was back when “The Man from U.N.C.L.E.” was on television, and James Bond was hugely popular in the cinema.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28945 Sebastian Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:46:17 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28945 Don: We need to get the second amendment applied to the states first, and Chicago is the best venue for that right now. Don:

We need to get the second amendment applied to the states first, and Chicago is the best venue for that right now.

]]> By: Ninth Stage http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28944 Ninth Stage Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:45:04 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28944 I think it is better put as, "Gun owners would be wise, before entering New Jersey, to do a complete [U-Turn]." I think it is better put as, “Gun owners would be wise, before entering New Jersey, to do a complete [U-Turn].”

]]> By: Don http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28943 Don Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:31:40 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28943 Sebastian: Now that the Heller decision has been affirmed, I think it is damn well time that New Jersey's entire structure of prohibitive and draconian gun laws get challenged in a a second amendment case. Sebastian:

Now that the Heller decision has been affirmed, I think it is damn well time that New Jersey’s entire structure of prohibitive and draconian gun laws get challenged in a a second amendment case.

]]> By: Frank http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28942 Frank Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:26:49 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28942 Can anybody tell me if New Jersey is the only state with a law against "possession of penetrating bullets"? I mean seriously, WTF is that about? Don't all bullets penetrate material with a lesser density? Can anybody tell me if New Jersey is the only state with a law against “possession of penetrating bullets”?

I mean seriously, WTF is that about? Don’t all bullets penetrate material with a lesser density?

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28941 Sebastian Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:00:00 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28941 It happens a lot, Kaveman. It happens a lot, Kaveman.

]]> By: Gregory Morris http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28940 Gregory Morris Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:59:01 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28940 kaveman - there have been many similar incidents in NJ. Sometimes they get slapped with one count per hollow-point round. Imagine if you forgot a box of cheap .22 HPs in your car... But yeah, he's screwed. kaveman – there have been many similar incidents in NJ.

Sometimes they get slapped with one count per hollow-point round. Imagine if you forgot a box of cheap .22 HPs in your car…

But yeah, he’s screwed.

]]> By: kaveman308 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28939 kaveman308 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:47:33 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28939 NJ outlaws hollow points??? I had no idea. NJ outlaws hollow points???

I had no idea.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28937 Sebastian Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:40:27 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28937 He's pretty much screwed unless he can win a second amendment case. He’s pretty much screwed unless he can win a second amendment case.

]]> By: Don http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/28/careful-over-there/#comment-28935 Don Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:35:44 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4922#comment-28935 This guy should put in a call to Evan Nappen for his legal woes. This guy should put in a call to Evan Nappen for his legal woes.

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