Comments on: Splitting the Pro-Gun Vote http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/20/splitting-the-pro-gun-vote/ Firearms Policy and Politics in Pennsylvania Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:57:42 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: rightwingprof http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/20/splitting-the-pro-gun-vote/#comment-28501 rightwingprof Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:06:33 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4644#comment-28501 There's another reason in such situations to endorse incumbents that your forgot: Incumbents have voting records, and challengers have nothing but what they say. And you can say anything you want to get elected, but what counts is how you vote once you are elected. I'm also mystified by FOAC's endorsement procedure. They endorsed the Republican challenger instead of Denny Nau, which made no sense at all. I emailed and asked, and the guy who replied said he had no idea and it didn't make any sense to him, either. There’s another reason in such situations to endorse incumbents that your forgot: Incumbents have voting records, and challengers have nothing but what they say. And you can say anything you want to get elected, but what counts is how you vote once you are elected.

I’m also mystified by FOAC’s endorsement procedure. They endorsed the Republican challenger instead of Denny Nau, which made no sense at all. I emailed and asked, and the guy who replied said he had no idea and it didn’t make any sense to him, either.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/20/splitting-the-pro-gun-vote/#comment-28464 Sebastian Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:52:44 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4644#comment-28464 William T Russell, I think is who you're thinking of. He's running against John Murtha. Murtha will get the NRA endorsement based on the same policy as Altmire. Murtha is solid on guns. I hate his politics on every other issue, but on that he's been good to us. William T Russell, I think is who you’re thinking of. He’s running against John Murtha. Murtha will get the NRA endorsement based on the same policy as Altmire. Murtha is solid on guns. I hate his politics on every other issue, but on that he’s been good to us.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/20/splitting-the-pro-gun-vote/#comment-28463 Sebastian Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:50:17 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4644#comment-28463 Your criticisms of the Democrats are all completely valid. They are still the party of gun control as long as they put someone like Barack Obama at the head of their ticket. But I think the way to change that is by supporting pro-gun Democrats when they support gun owners, or at least taking a neutral position when you have a pro-gun Democrat running against a pro-gun Republican. Like I said, I'd probably vote for Hart myself, because I don't lean Democrat... but when you're an issue advocacy group, you don't get the luxury of listening to your own personal political preferences. To some degree, it has to be a hard calculation based on his record, with a healthy dose of what's politically smart thrown in. Your criticisms of the Democrats are all completely valid. They are still the party of gun control as long as they put someone like Barack Obama at the head of their ticket. But I think the way to change that is by supporting pro-gun Democrats when they support gun owners, or at least taking a neutral position when you have a pro-gun Democrat running against a pro-gun Republican. Like I said, I’d probably vote for Hart myself, because I don’t lean Democrat… but when you’re an issue advocacy group, you don’t get the luxury of listening to your own personal political preferences. To some degree, it has to be a hard calculation based on his record, with a healthy dose of what’s politically smart thrown in.

]]> By: Jack Johnson http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/20/splitting-the-pro-gun-vote/#comment-28460 Jack Johnson Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:41:52 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4644#comment-28460 I agree not endorsing would have been better. But as I said earlier, the biggest thing against Altmire is that we can't trust him. He voted for Pelosi, he's pretty liberal on other things. Does that mean he can't be good on guns? Nope. But I seriously wonder if he is taking his pro-second amendment positions out of political expediency or because he really believes it. He ran as a pro-life candidate and has totally flipped on that issue. Again, can we trust him? Rep. Jim Traficant before he got into all that trouble, used to vote with the Republicans on the Speaker of the House vote because he didn't want the liberal Dems in charge of what bills make it to the House floor. I agree that the NRA needs to reach out to the Dems so it doesn't become a mouthpiece of the GOP and their certainly are plenty of pro-gun Dems. But lets not forget that the Democrat Party platform still calls for massive gun control and Altmire is a supporter of Obama too. Just a lot of food for thought. I live just out of the 4th district and i used to live there, but this is shaping up to be a close one. I wonder if I have time to move back?!?!? I agree not endorsing would have been better. But as I said earlier, the biggest thing against Altmire is that we can’t trust him. He voted for Pelosi, he’s pretty liberal on other things. Does that mean he can’t be good on guns? Nope. But I seriously wonder if he is taking his pro-second amendment positions out of political expediency or because he really believes it. He ran as a pro-life candidate and has totally flipped on that issue. Again, can we trust him? Rep. Jim Traficant before he got into all that trouble, used to vote with the Republicans on the Speaker of the House vote because he didn’t want the liberal Dems in charge of what bills make it to the House floor. I agree that the NRA needs to reach out to the Dems so it doesn’t become a mouthpiece of the GOP and their certainly are plenty of pro-gun Dems. But lets not forget that the Democrat Party platform still calls for massive gun control and Altmire is a supporter of Obama too. Just a lot of food for thought. I live just out of the 4th district and i used to live there, but this is shaping up to be a close one. I wonder if I have time to move back?!?!?

]]> By: Mad Saint Jack http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/20/splitting-the-pro-gun-vote/#comment-28454 Mad Saint Jack Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:34:45 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=4644#comment-28454 OT: is some one named Russell(sp?) running in PA? Some one told me about him up in a chat I was on. Said he was solid on 2A. I searched your site didn't find any thing. OT: is some one named Russell(sp?) running in PA? Some one told me about him up in a chat I was on.

Said he was solid on 2A.

I searched your site didn’t find any thing.

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