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		<title>By: Oldsmoblogger</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27871</link>
		<dc:creator>Oldsmoblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We don’t need to start shooting to have a revolution in this country, we just need to think about what would a power-hungry dim-whitted dictator want me to do, and then do the exact opposite. Use that image as a reverse barometer.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, I &lt;i&gt;liiiike&lt;/i&gt; this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We don’t need to start shooting to have a revolution in this country, we just need to think about what would a power-hungry dim-whitted dictator want me to do, and then do the exact opposite. Use that image as a reverse barometer.</i></p>
<p>Oh, I <i>liiiike</i> this.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt "45superman" Hofmann</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27864</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt "45superman" Hofmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;All I know is that if they are reading all the gun blogs, they ain’t getting shit-else done!&lt;/i&gt;

That hits a little close to home, Carl ;-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>All I know is that if they are reading all the gun blogs, they ain’t getting shit-else done!</i></p>
<p>That hits a little close to home, Carl ;-).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27856</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Brady Bunch would do well to notice that there are those of us out there in the Real World that would die in defense of what we believe in.

The True Believer gun grabbers do not have such a deep conviction in their beliefs.

In fact, I believe &quot;gun control&quot; will be morph into the lunatic fringe it rightly is when it&#039;s willing accomplices in the Media gradually loose their relevancy due to loss of a believing audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Brady Bunch would do well to notice that there are those of us out there in the Real World that would die in defense of what we believe in.</p>
<p>The True Believer gun grabbers do not have such a deep conviction in their beliefs.</p>
<p>In fact, I believe &#8220;gun control&#8221; will be morph into the lunatic fringe it rightly is when it&#8217;s willing accomplices in the Media gradually loose their relevancy due to loss of a believing audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27850</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is that if they are reading all the gun blogs, they ain&#039;t getting shit-else done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is that if they are reading all the gun blogs, they ain&#8217;t getting shit-else done!</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27849</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For people misrepresenting themselves you don&#039;t need to look any further than the American Hunters, Shooters, etc. etc. whatever they&#039;re called.  I forget the acronym.  Something like ASSHAT, if I remember right.

The Brady Campaign has an overdeveloped sense of worth.  They&#039;re surrounded by people telling them they&#039;re saving lives, yet half of their top-graded states contain more violence than many of their lowest-graded states.  They are irrelevancy incarnate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For people misrepresenting themselves you don&#8217;t need to look any further than the American Hunters, Shooters, etc. etc. whatever they&#8217;re called.  I forget the acronym.  Something like ASSHAT, if I remember right.</p>
<p>The Brady Campaign has an overdeveloped sense of worth.  They&#8217;re surrounded by people telling them they&#8217;re saving lives, yet half of their top-graded states contain more violence than many of their lowest-graded states.  They are irrelevancy incarnate.</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27848</link>
		<dc:creator>BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, oppo research and general &quot;know thy enemy&quot; efforts are as old as the human race. There&#039;s nothing particularly unsavory about insinuating oneself among one&#039;s political enemies to get a better bead on how they roll. Misrepresenting oneself in order to accomplish that is somewhat less above-board, but it&#039;s hardly some Original Sin of politics. Words like &quot;astroturf&quot; and &quot;false flag&quot; exist in our political lexicon for a reason, and worthless assholes like John Rosenthal have been misrepresenting themselves as mainstream gun owners since time immemorial.

So when I read the Brady Bunch dialing the Outrage-O-Meter up to a Nigel Tufnel 11 over the Mary Lou McFate thing, I kinda gotta wonder to myself:

Which side has the &quot;bunker mentality&quot;, again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, oppo research and general &#8220;know thy enemy&#8221; efforts are as old as the human race. There&#8217;s nothing particularly unsavory about insinuating oneself among one&#8217;s political enemies to get a better bead on how they roll. Misrepresenting oneself in order to accomplish that is somewhat less above-board, but it&#8217;s hardly some Original Sin of politics. Words like &#8220;astroturf&#8221; and &#8220;false flag&#8221; exist in our political lexicon for a reason, and worthless assholes like John Rosenthal have been misrepresenting themselves as mainstream gun owners since time immemorial.</p>
<p>So when I read the Brady Bunch dialing the Outrage-O-Meter up to a Nigel Tufnel 11 over the Mary Lou McFate thing, I kinda gotta wonder to myself:</p>
<p>Which side has the &#8220;bunker mentality&#8221;, again?</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27847</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Kelli is a spy ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Kelli is a spy ;)</p>
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		<title>By: kaveman308</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27846</link>
		<dc:creator>kaveman308</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;YOU CALLED ON HER SPECIFICALLY to come and defend you

You sure he called her?&quot;


Yes I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;YOU CALLED ON HER SPECIFICALLY to come and defend you</p>
<p>You sure he called her?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes I am.</p>
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		<title>By: CorbinKale</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27844</link>
		<dc:creator>CorbinKale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironic how certain titles are 180 degrees from their effect, ie. Patriot Act, Fairness Doctrine and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. 

While the Brady Campaign&#039;s stated mission is to prevent gun violence, through their efforts to undermine the 2nd Amendment, they are making gun violence MORE likely as they push policies designed to disarm the law-abiding, and they become domestic enemies of those sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution of the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironic how certain titles are 180 degrees from their effect, ie. Patriot Act, Fairness Doctrine and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. </p>
<p>While the Brady Campaign&#8217;s stated mission is to prevent gun violence, through their efforts to undermine the 2nd Amendment, they are making gun violence MORE likely as they push policies designed to disarm the law-abiding, and they become domestic enemies of those sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution of the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Mopar</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27842</link>
		<dc:creator>Mopar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Nooos! The Brady bunch is spying on gun blobbers! They&#039;re gonna find out all our super secretz!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Nooos! The Brady bunch is spying on gun blobbers! They&#8217;re gonna find out all our super secretz!</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27840</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;YOU CALLED ON HER SPECIFICALLY to come and defend you&lt;/i&gt;

You sure he called her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>YOU CALLED ON HER SPECIFICALLY to come and defend you</i></p>
<p>You sure he called her?</p>
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		<title>By: kaveman308</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27839</link>
		<dc:creator>kaveman308</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I almost forgot.

This is for you Mr. Helmke.

The only reason Kelli posts on your blog is because YOU CALLED ON HER SPECIFICALLY to come and defend you. You two are friends and you&#039;re using her as a human shield.

I know this to be true and yes I have evidence. Now ask yourself how did I get that.

BOO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I almost forgot.</p>
<p>This is for you Mr. Helmke.</p>
<p>The only reason Kelli posts on your blog is because YOU CALLED ON HER SPECIFICALLY to come and defend you. You two are friends and you&#8217;re using her as a human shield.</p>
<p>I know this to be true and yes I have evidence. Now ask yourself how did I get that.</p>
<p>BOO!</p>
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		<title>By: kaveman308</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27838</link>
		<dc:creator>kaveman308</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s quite alot we can do alone, as individuals to break the system without having to resort to &quot;shooting the bastards.&quot;

When your back is against the wall, everything is a weapon. The more time and resources LEOs and politicicians spend responding to false calls and fixing broken shit, the less time they have to worry about us.

Case in point. The Brady Bunch is now spending time and resources looking for hidden bugs and spyware instead of pissing on the Bill of Rights.

They&#039;re occupied for a little while. Same concept applies to authorities who abuse their power which is derived from &quot;We the People.&quot;

Case in point. If only 10% of people who get a speeding ticket plead not guilty and take it to trial, the traffic court system would collapse under its own weight.

We don&#039;t need to start shooting to have a revolution in this country, we just need to think about what would a power-hungry dim-whitted dictator want me to do, and then do the exact opposite. Use that image as a reverse barometer.

Kinda like going out and buying every gun Helmke rants about. If he hates it, I put it on the shopping list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s quite alot we can do alone, as individuals to break the system without having to resort to &#8220;shooting the bastards.&#8221;</p>
<p>When your back is against the wall, everything is a weapon. The more time and resources LEOs and politicicians spend responding to false calls and fixing broken shit, the less time they have to worry about us.</p>
<p>Case in point. The Brady Bunch is now spending time and resources looking for hidden bugs and spyware instead of pissing on the Bill of Rights.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re occupied for a little while. Same concept applies to authorities who abuse their power which is derived from &#8220;We the People.&#8221;</p>
<p>Case in point. If only 10% of people who get a speeding ticket plead not guilty and take it to trial, the traffic court system would collapse under its own weight.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to start shooting to have a revolution in this country, we just need to think about what would a power-hungry dim-whitted dictator want me to do, and then do the exact opposite. Use that image as a reverse barometer.</p>
<p>Kinda like going out and buying every gun Helmke rants about. If he hates it, I put it on the shopping list.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27837</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my favorite part of their entire article was when they say that a majority (they even give percentages) of the people support registration...

guess what geniuses, a majority of the people once supported slavery... that didn&#039;t make it right.

a majority of the people also once supported the trail of tears... that didnt make it right, in fact, it was ruled as unconstitutional by the SCOTUS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my favorite part of their entire article was when they say that a majority (they even give percentages) of the people support registration&#8230;</p>
<p>guess what geniuses, a majority of the people once supported slavery&#8230; that didn&#8217;t make it right.</p>
<p>a majority of the people also once supported the trail of tears&#8230; that didnt make it right, in fact, it was ruled as unconstitutional by the SCOTUS.</p>
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		<title>By: Tam</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27836</link>
		<dc:creator>Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, when I made my post about seeing a poor future for our republic yesterday, nearly everyone in the comments section went on at length about gun rights. That&#039;s a problem, from where I see it.

The state I just left, Tennessee, has some of the better gun laws in the nation. Reasonable CCW, NFA weapons are okay, no special permits required to own or purchase, et cetera. In fact, its gun laws have been steadily getting better over the last ten years, with constantly loosening restrictions on CCW and other victories.

On the other hand, it&#039;s seen confiscatory increases in taxes, draconian smoking laws, red light cameras, all on the state level, as well as all the plethora of post 9/11 fed.gov intrusiveness. Children pass through metal detectors as they carry their clear or mesh bookbags to school.

I can see an America in ten or twenty years where we have a national ID card with biometrics and an integral RFID chip, asset forfeiture is still rampant, we&#039;re still losing a never-ending War on Drugs, tobacco and trans-fats are banned, minimum wage is $10/hr, and taxes are at European levels to support a European-style public health system...

...but we have national CCW reciprocity.

We&#039;re winning on the gun front. What about the other fronts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, when I made my post about seeing a poor future for our republic yesterday, nearly everyone in the comments section went on at length about gun rights. That&#8217;s a problem, from where I see it.</p>
<p>The state I just left, Tennessee, has some of the better gun laws in the nation. Reasonable CCW, NFA weapons are okay, no special permits required to own or purchase, et cetera. In fact, its gun laws have been steadily getting better over the last ten years, with constantly loosening restrictions on CCW and other victories.</p>
<p>On the other hand, it&#8217;s seen confiscatory increases in taxes, draconian smoking laws, red light cameras, all on the state level, as well as all the plethora of post 9/11 fed.gov intrusiveness. Children pass through metal detectors as they carry their clear or mesh bookbags to school.</p>
<p>I can see an America in ten or twenty years where we have a national ID card with biometrics and an integral RFID chip, asset forfeiture is still rampant, we&#8217;re still losing a never-ending War on Drugs, tobacco and trans-fats are banned, minimum wage is $10/hr, and taxes are at European levels to support a European-style public health system&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;but we have national CCW reciprocity.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re winning on the gun front. What about the other fronts?</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27832</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I picked an awful day to have my server crash, didn&#039;t I?

Man, I&#039;d have had like 2 or 3 more hits from them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I picked an awful day to have my server crash, didn&#8217;t I?</p>
<p>Man, I&#8217;d have had like 2 or 3 more hits from them!</p>
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		<title>By: ATL</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27828</link>
		<dc:creator>ATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; I wonder if my statement will end up in a Brady fundraiser mailing. That would amuse me.&quot;

Who would they send it to? The Joyce Foundation? LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I wonder if my statement will end up in a Brady fundraiser mailing. That would amuse me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who would they send it to? The Joyce Foundation? LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: ATL</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27827</link>
		<dc:creator>ATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Has a “bunker paranoia” gripped the NRA leadership, so clouding their judgment as to justify the moral bankruptcy of spying on gun violence victims and their families?&quot;

Has? I thought in their world of ludicrous conspiracy theories that was the way we have always been! I thought that we were all paranoid militia types who have hunting racks in our Ford F-150&#039;s and go around declaring armed revolt anytime someone mentions Sarah Brady! Geez these guys better get with the program; doesn&#039;t anyone subscribe to the the NY Times?!

LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Has a “bunker paranoia” gripped the NRA leadership, so clouding their judgment as to justify the moral bankruptcy of spying on gun violence victims and their families?&#8221;</p>
<p>Has? I thought in their world of ludicrous conspiracy theories that was the way we have always been! I thought that we were all paranoid militia types who have hunting racks in our Ford F-150&#8217;s and go around declaring armed revolt anytime someone mentions Sarah Brady! Geez these guys better get with the program; doesn&#8217;t anyone subscribe to the the NY Times?!</p>
<p>LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27826</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be right.  What made me think intern was their blog didn&#039;t start getting smart until about the time college let out for the summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be right.  What made me think intern was their blog didn&#8217;t start getting smart until about the time college let out for the summer.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27825</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think they might have found an exceptionally good intern for the summer.&quot;

I&#039;ll lay 4:1 it&#039;s Pennington doing the blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think they might have found an exceptionally good intern for the summer.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll lay 4:1 it&#8217;s Pennington doing the blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27824</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack - TinyURL is a site:  www.tinyurl.com that allows you to link to something with a cloaked URL.  Instead of linking directly to the Brady Bunch, you can cloak that link in order to not help with their Google rankings.  I don&#039;t know if it makes much of an impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack &#8211; TinyURL is a site:  <a href="http://www.tinyurl.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tinyurl.com</a> that allows you to link to something with a cloaked URL.  Instead of linking directly to the Brady Bunch, you can cloak that link in order to not help with their Google rankings.  I don&#8217;t know if it makes much of an impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason The Saj</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27823</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason The Saj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am somewhat confused?

What is the big deal about someone infiltrating anti-gun lobby groups?  As the Brady Campaign&#039;s own post admits, they&#039;ve been doing the same.  Why is it an affront when gun right advocates do it? But not when they go undercover at Gun Shows, or when twirps like Michael Moore mis-represent themselves so they can harass old men like Charlton Heston?

As for when to rise up, and why people don&#039;t?  I think because we feel alone.  For example, I think there are lots of people who would rise up if that time came. In fact, I think there are quite a few who would if there were a 100 other men joining them.

Heck, I know a lot of us wish there were enough of us to break Ramos and Compean out of prison.  But alone...we&#039;re cowards, right? Wrong...

We&#039;re Chess strategists, we know that alone we can accomplish very little. Meanwhile, we will lose all - life, liberty, pursuit of happyness, families, loved ones, etc.

Two additional problems exist:

I. Most Americans are just like the government (fat, lazy, in debt, apathetic).  And frankly, they by far outnumber every other demographic in this nation (pro gun, anti-gun, minority, christian, homosexual are all small token groups compared to &quot;apathetic american&quot;.)

II. Assurance or even probability of a better world. And I think this is the biggie. Say that 3% actually did get mobilized over an issue. Say they stormed and even took Washington - what next?  You can&#039;t make everyone happy. And you can&#039;t get everyone to agree with you. That leaves any new regime requiring the use of force on civilians. Few of us want to go there, and it&#039;s exactly in opposition to what we believe.  Freedom to live.  About the only way such could be pulled off is if you had a focal point so conducive (ie: British regulars harassing, terrorizing and murdering citizens) so as to create a majority uniformness within the active populace. And the issue is substantial enough that the vast &quot;apathetica&quot; is willing to allow it&#039;s occurrence to see what happens.

This is essentially what happened in the American Revolution. Enough crap happened that the &quot;active citizens&quot; were mobilized into a majority form. Yes, there were those who sided with the British but they were less so and they lost ground quickly as the British acts against the people continued to increase. Meanwhile, there were a great number of Americans that were part of the &quot;apathetica&quot;.  They continued to lack mobility.  However, the situation had reached a point that their apathy was no longer opposed to a change in the status quo. One could say a casual curiosity existed.  Until the movement became the new status quo.

We would need similar situations to occur.  I truly think the closest we could come to some sort of revolution would be localized. (ie: There are some native american activists who seek to establish a new nation in the north east midwest.  I could see there being enough of a movement united with such to lead to some Montana/Dakota establishment.)  Where the American &quot;apathetica&quot; would find the bloodshed to distasteful in their own backyard.  Such an event might work....

In truth, I am worried that military technology being developed thanks to the war in Iraq will soon leave such small arms as we are allowed as near impotent.  I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll see their like in use in Iraq but decades later the research now will come to fruitation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am somewhat confused?</p>
<p>What is the big deal about someone infiltrating anti-gun lobby groups?  As the Brady Campaign&#8217;s own post admits, they&#8217;ve been doing the same.  Why is it an affront when gun right advocates do it? But not when they go undercover at Gun Shows, or when twirps like Michael Moore mis-represent themselves so they can harass old men like Charlton Heston?</p>
<p>As for when to rise up, and why people don&#8217;t?  I think because we feel alone.  For example, I think there are lots of people who would rise up if that time came. In fact, I think there are quite a few who would if there were a 100 other men joining them.</p>
<p>Heck, I know a lot of us wish there were enough of us to break Ramos and Compean out of prison.  But alone&#8230;we&#8217;re cowards, right? Wrong&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re Chess strategists, we know that alone we can accomplish very little. Meanwhile, we will lose all &#8211; life, liberty, pursuit of happyness, families, loved ones, etc.</p>
<p>Two additional problems exist:</p>
<p>I. Most Americans are just like the government (fat, lazy, in debt, apathetic).  And frankly, they by far outnumber every other demographic in this nation (pro gun, anti-gun, minority, christian, homosexual are all small token groups compared to &#8220;apathetic american&#8221;.)</p>
<p>II. Assurance or even probability of a better world. And I think this is the biggie. Say that 3% actually did get mobilized over an issue. Say they stormed and even took Washington &#8211; what next?  You can&#8217;t make everyone happy. And you can&#8217;t get everyone to agree with you. That leaves any new regime requiring the use of force on civilians. Few of us want to go there, and it&#8217;s exactly in opposition to what we believe.  Freedom to live.  About the only way such could be pulled off is if you had a focal point so conducive (ie: British regulars harassing, terrorizing and murdering citizens) so as to create a majority uniformness within the active populace. And the issue is substantial enough that the vast &#8220;apathetica&#8221; is willing to allow it&#8217;s occurrence to see what happens.</p>
<p>This is essentially what happened in the American Revolution. Enough crap happened that the &#8220;active citizens&#8221; were mobilized into a majority form. Yes, there were those who sided with the British but they were less so and they lost ground quickly as the British acts against the people continued to increase. Meanwhile, there were a great number of Americans that were part of the &#8220;apathetica&#8221;.  They continued to lack mobility.  However, the situation had reached a point that their apathy was no longer opposed to a change in the status quo. One could say a casual curiosity existed.  Until the movement became the new status quo.</p>
<p>We would need similar situations to occur.  I truly think the closest we could come to some sort of revolution would be localized. (ie: There are some native american activists who seek to establish a new nation in the north east midwest.  I could see there being enough of a movement united with such to lead to some Montana/Dakota establishment.)  Where the American &#8220;apathetica&#8221; would find the bloodshed to distasteful in their own backyard.  Such an event might work&#8230;.</p>
<p>In truth, I am worried that military technology being developed thanks to the war in Iraq will soon leave such small arms as we are allowed as near impotent.  I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll see their like in use in Iraq but decades later the research now will come to fruitation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Saint Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27822</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Saint Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if the Brady bunch is reading a bunch of gun blogs I&#039;ll have to stop thinking of them as ignorant.  Now I know they are just deceitful.

?TinyURL???  (Raises hand from the back row of the class) what&#039;s a TinyURL?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if the Brady bunch is reading a bunch of gun blogs I&#8217;ll have to stop thinking of them as ignorant.  Now I know they are just deceitful.</p>
<p>?TinyURL???  (Raises hand from the back row of the class) what&#8217;s a TinyURL?</p>
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		<title>By: DirtCrashr</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27821</link>
		<dc:creator>DirtCrashr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The topic of revolt isn’t a legitimate one??  What do they think the entire Obama campaign is built upon?</description>
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		<title>By: Brady Campaign looking for NRA/Vanderboegh axis? What are they smoking? &#171; Armed and Free</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/08/06/incoming/#comment-27820</link>
		<dc:creator>Brady Campaign looking for NRA/Vanderboegh axis? What are they smoking? &#171; Armed and Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Guns has more, as does Snowflakes in Hell, and probably others that I&#8217;ve not spotted [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on Guns has more, as does Snowflakes in Hell, and probably others that I&#8217;ve not spotted [...]</p>
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