Not that I’m surprised; that’d be a tough job.

Bloody Christ, I have days when I think that if I see that “disagree” horseshit one more time, I’m going to start shooting all you bastards, myself. None of this is about mere ‘disagreement’. That would imply that there is something morally tolerable in the actions of the state which incite these discussions, and there simply isn’t. If you want to call the difference between right and wrong a “disagreement”, then you can go right ahead, but you should know that you’re wearing a bib at the adults’ table.

How did we get from talking about appropriate action to take in case of a wtshtf scenario to ‘any law they don’t agree with?’

No sebastian, I’m not calling you a “Liberal” freak. There’s not enough proof yet. But then I haven’t read all these posts either.

There are also ‘conservative’ idiots who think we will be OK to just ‘comply’ when we’re told to ‘register’ or ‘turn them in.’

No! HELL NO!

But then GCA 68 which sends those pink forms to the BATF Nazi lowlife scum(it’s not name-calling when it’s the truth) when a gun shop closes is de-facto registration. The scum who wrote and voted for and supported that legislation should be hunted down, tried for treason and executed. The dead ones should be dug up from their graves and hung.

Why do so many allegedly Liberty minded people freak out over this topic? The Founders used the ’system’ such as it was until they had no other choice but to start killing government employees. We face the same situation, just different times and different names for the issues. Why is that so difficult for so many to grasp?

Though there are days when I wish I’d never uttered a ‘public’ word and was on no lists of any kind. Then maybe I could occasionally take a ‘hunting’ trip. “Activists” of a certain sort who didn’t let their pride or their anger get in their way could be very effective.

Feel free to describe those “effective” peaceful avenues you write of, and include examples of how well they work when people with guns come no-knockin’ to my or your door.

Self defense is not “assassination” by any lucid definition.

If assholes like you and Vanderboegh try to touch off a civil war by shrieking “MOLON LABE!” every time Congress or ATF does something you don’t like, notwithstanding the existence of effective peaceful avenues for reform, I’ll gladly volunteer to shoot you myself.

If shouting “MOLON LABE!” is enough to touch off a civil war, then we have the kind of problems that mean you’d better shoot me, too.

If assholes like you and Vanderboegh try to touch off a civil war by shrieking “MOLON LABE!” every time Congress or ATF does something you don’t like, notwithstanding the existence of effective peaceful avenues for reform, I’ll gladly volunteer to shoot you myself.

At root, this whole thing is an ethical argument. “What do you value and how do you act for it?”

That’s the discussion.

When deciding on an action, Laws are somewhat useful as a factor in risk assessment, but a quick perusal of laws around the world should make you quickly realize how useless they are as a moral guide.

So don’t prattle to me of “regulation this” and “constitution that” or “majority this” when you are looking to affect my view of what is right and what is wrong.

Make moral points with your best moral arguments, not legal arguments. If you are unable to support your case in that manner, well…that should tell you something important about your position.

In my opinion, whether you want to consider it valid or not, there is a concept called PSYOP, which whinny, wannabe de-escalators need to learn. Because some influential, powerful individuals are too far gone to consider our positions as valid, they need to understand that if they try to physically impose their malice upon us, they can either expect to suffer heavy casualties or expect a victory to be strictly Pyrrhic. They need to understand that we, the People, out-number them, out-gun them, and that when shove comes to a garden trowel in the face, we will not stand down as did the British after Dunblane. The once-proud, fearsome British people now stand as a joke, as Soviet Britannia’s uncouth underclass tramples all over them in worn sneakers and broken bottles of Stella Artois.

That, a combined declaration of intent, may do more to repel in our rogue, “Soviofacist” government than words and a flashing a locked-open slide action. Therefore, we need to stop this infighting between ourselves, and combine our forces to take back what is rightfully ours, either by diplomacy or by a maelstrom of JHPs. Usually, infighting such as this is fermented by those in collusion with the opposition as a control valve. Acknowledging that, should we not stop this useless squabble, should we keep bickering amongst ourselves, concerning whether or not we should make known our nuclear option, our rogue government shall continue to advance against our rights and will keep winning.

For those who will mindlessly follow the government’s terms, laying down their arms just to show that they are “reasonable”, go right ahead. People such as Mr. Vanderboegh and I will do the fighting; every other hand-wringing whiner out there can just go to the abattoirs, courtesy of FEMA. Just stay out of the way.

-Uzziel-

http://willowtown.com/promo/quotes.htm

and my blog:

http://willowtown.com/promo/blogfp.htm

1. The Founders fought a bloody 8-year civil war, yes, civil war, for the control of colonial govt. against king-loving sheeple who thought they were fighting the ‘extremists.’

They had to kill them, by the score, and were killed, by the score.

In our next national spasm, which the bad guys won through superior numbers and logistics, scores were killed by many who thought they were ‘doing what is right’ when they were really fighting for a tyrant who turned our republic into an empire.

Yes, we are a tiny minority, and will likely stay that way. But I will not exist under what our global cancer, “Liberal”ism, has done to England and other countries.

When you play their word game, as we were once deemed ‘extremists, nazis, right-wingers,’ etc. just for saying we have any gun rights at all, or for mentioning the word “Liberty” publicly, you dance in their direction.

When you dance with the devil you don’t change him, he changes you.

It’s time to stop dancing, and get in their faces and tell them “NO” in no uncertain terms and have the force available to back it up and to at least be able to make them pay a high price, in their own homes, and with their own families, as they are quite willing to make us do.

No, but he would have slapped the ever-loving shit out of you for enlisting his bon mot to agitate for revolution in a political climate where peaceful change self-evidently is still possible, notwithstanding weapons-grade stupid arguments to the contrary.

Lumping a first-rate clown who actually did violate the letter of federal firearms law, and who was given due process, in with Randy Weaver and the Davidians is nothing short of disgusting, and discredits everything else you have to say on the subject. We’re done here.

Point is, it’s only when things get nasty for the average Joe that he’ll think of fighting back.

For those who WANT a civil war, there’s some good news. The dollar is crashing and those who might do something about it are either oblivious or indifferent. When bread’s at $10/loaf, and milk is $20/gallon, you’ll see civil war…

MBV: Of course its an argument. “Ultima ratio regem,” goes the phrase. “The last argument of Kings.” And, I might add, of free people.

Of course, it is also a threat. And your point is? How about these arguments/threats:

“Pay your taxes or we will use the violence of the state to force you to comply.”

Or this, “We are the ATF and we can do what we damn well please. Don’t get in our way.”

The government, you may have noticed, has grown into a leviathan that little cares for its citizens’ wishes. They have their arguments and threats, we — that dwindling despised minority of free Americans who dare speak our minds — have ours. Pick a side or hide and watch. Macht nichts to me. — Vanderboegh III