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	<title>Comments on: Anti-Gun Bills in California Headed to Senate</title>
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		<title>By: Vote For David</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/06/20/anti-gun-bills-in-california-headed-to-senate/#comment-25204</link>
		<dc:creator>Vote For David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the governator was a RINO from the start, and I remember (I was there, at the time) that the three conservatives left out there were saying so during the runup to the election.  Of course, if it&#039;s a choice between gray-out davis, some dude you never heard of, and the Terminator, like DUH of course you know who is going to win this popularity contest.  

I hold out zero hope for the people of kalifornia.  I&#039;ve said it before and I&#039;ll say it again: if it breaks off, I hope it doesn&#039;t sink.  Then the hippies and queers and whatnot that just loooooove california for the weather and views, will get to keep them, and the more-conservative Nevada could be our nation&#039;s important seaport state.  I&#039;m not holding my breath though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the governator was a RINO from the start, and I remember (I was there, at the time) that the three conservatives left out there were saying so during the runup to the election.  Of course, if it&#8217;s a choice between gray-out davis, some dude you never heard of, and the Terminator, like DUH of course you know who is going to win this popularity contest.  </p>
<p>I hold out zero hope for the people of kalifornia.  I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again: if it breaks off, I hope it doesn&#8217;t sink.  Then the hippies and queers and whatnot that just loooooove california for the weather and views, will get to keep them, and the more-conservative Nevada could be our nation&#8217;s important seaport state.  I&#8217;m not holding my breath though.</p>
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		<title>By: JJR</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/06/20/anti-gun-bills-in-california-headed-to-senate/#comment-25181</link>
		<dc:creator>JJR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much for those big bricks of 250 Remington .22LR...50 rounds makes for a really short day at the range.

California, this is insane, and probably unconstitutional.  Some state attorney will probably try to argue that they&#039;re not prohibiting arms, just ammunition, which is a bogus, weasily way to argue.  It&#039;s still flagrant infringement however you slice it.

Also, bye-bye revolvers of any kind, too.
Collective insanity.

Unfortunately Ahnold the Govenator has proved himself to be a RINO, so I wouldn&#039;t hold out too much hope for a veto.

(I am ok with the Gay rights thing, though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for those big bricks of 250 Remington .22LR&#8230;50 rounds makes for a really short day at the range.</p>
<p>California, this is insane, and probably unconstitutional.  Some state attorney will probably try to argue that they&#8217;re not prohibiting arms, just ammunition, which is a bogus, weasily way to argue.  It&#8217;s still flagrant infringement however you slice it.</p>
<p>Also, bye-bye revolvers of any kind, too.<br />
Collective insanity.</p>
<p>Unfortunately Ahnold the Govenator has proved himself to be a RINO, so I wouldn&#8217;t hold out too much hope for a veto.</p>
<p>(I am ok with the Gay rights thing, though.)</p>
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		<title>By: B Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>B Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I am a baaaad man! 
50 rounds per MONTH???
(SNORT CHUCKLE PFFFT)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I am a baaaad man!<br />
50 rounds per MONTH???<br />
(SNORT CHUCKLE PFFFT)</p>
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		<title>By: Vote For David</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/06/20/anti-gun-bills-in-california-headed-to-senate/#comment-25114</link>
		<dc:creator>Vote For David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, it looks like, at the least, all your spare change needs to be going towards bulk ammunition purchases.  You could always go give your sales tax money to another state, but I think the CHP would just kill you on the spot if they stopped you with a few cases of ammunition crossing the border...

Or not, because they&#039;re going to try an outright gun ban in california (for the less-equal citizens anyway) probably in our lifetimes.  

Jim W: ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, it looks like, at the least, all your spare change needs to be going towards bulk ammunition purchases.  You could always go give your sales tax money to another state, but I think the CHP would just kill you on the spot if they stopped you with a few cases of ammunition crossing the border&#8230;</p>
<p>Or not, because they&#8217;re going to try an outright gun ban in california (for the less-equal citizens anyway) probably in our lifetimes.  </p>
<p>Jim W: ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim W</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/06/20/anti-gun-bills-in-california-headed-to-senate/#comment-25080</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 00:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will withhold comment until after 10 AM on Monday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will withhold comment until after 10 AM on Monday.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/06/20/anti-gun-bills-in-california-headed-to-senate/#comment-25079</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW, You know I live in this infested state and after the court overturned prop 187 and then overturned the gay marriage ban I am truly of the opinion that we live in the Socialist Republic of California. We are not a part of the USA anymore.

AtLien I think that might be closer to reality than you think my friend.

Get all the firearms you can before they decide only criminals can have them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW, You know I live in this infested state and after the court overturned prop 187 and then overturned the gay marriage ban I am truly of the opinion that we live in the Socialist Republic of California. We are not a part of the USA anymore.</p>
<p>AtLien I think that might be closer to reality than you think my friend.</p>
<p>Get all the firearms you can before they decide only criminals can have them.</p>
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		<title>By: ATLien</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/06/20/anti-gun-bills-in-california-headed-to-senate/#comment-25075</link>
		<dc:creator>ATLien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the Army is occupied at the moment in Iraq, can we form a multi-state militia to liberate California?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the Army is occupied at the moment in Iraq, can we form a multi-state militia to liberate California?</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; Quick hits</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; Quick hits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Going after ammo in Cali. Only 50 rounds a month? I shot six times that on Tuesday. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Going after ammo in Cali. Only 50 rounds a month? I shot six times that on Tuesday. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Inebriated Arsonist</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/06/20/anti-gun-bills-in-california-headed-to-senate/#comment-25062</link>
		<dc:creator>Inebriated Arsonist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s more onerous requirements in the ammunition bill, Sebastian.  Try this little excerpt:

(3) Commencing July 1, 2009, a vendor shall not sell or otherwise
transfer ownership of any handgun ammunition without at the time of
delivery recording the following information in a format to be
prescribed by the department:
   (A) The date of the transaction.
   (B) The transferee&#039;s driver&#039;s license or other identification
number and the state in which it was issued.
   (C) The brand, type, and amount of ammunition transferred.
   (D) The transferee&#039;s signature.
   (E) The name of the salesperson who processed the transaction.
   (F) The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee on the
above form, unless the purchaser or transferee presents a valid
hunting or sportsman&#039;s license issued pursuant to Section 714,
paragraphs (1) to (3), inclusive, of subdivision (a) of Section 3031,
or Section 3031.2 of the Fish and Game Code, or a handgun ammunition
purchase permit in which case the vendor shall record the number of
the license or permit.

Californians would not only have to sign a book, Sudafed-style, but also submit to fingerprinting just to have the privilege of buying handgun ammunition.  Remind me never to move to California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s more onerous requirements in the ammunition bill, Sebastian.  Try this little excerpt:</p>
<p>(3) Commencing July 1, 2009, a vendor shall not sell or otherwise<br />
transfer ownership of any handgun ammunition without at the time of<br />
delivery recording the following information in a format to be<br />
prescribed by the department:<br />
   (A) The date of the transaction.<br />
   (B) The transferee&#8217;s driver&#8217;s license or other identification<br />
number and the state in which it was issued.<br />
   (C) The brand, type, and amount of ammunition transferred.<br />
   (D) The transferee&#8217;s signature.<br />
   (E) The name of the salesperson who processed the transaction.<br />
   (F) The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee on the<br />
above form, unless the purchaser or transferee presents a valid<br />
hunting or sportsman&#8217;s license issued pursuant to Section 714,<br />
paragraphs (1) to (3), inclusive, of subdivision (a) of Section 3031,<br />
or Section 3031.2 of the Fish and Game Code, or a handgun ammunition<br />
purchase permit in which case the vendor shall record the number of<br />
the license or permit.</p>
<p>Californians would not only have to sign a book, Sudafed-style, but also submit to fingerprinting just to have the privilege of buying handgun ammunition.  Remind me never to move to California.</p>
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		<title>By: mike w</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/06/20/anti-gun-bills-in-california-headed-to-senate/#comment-25059</link>
		<dc:creator>mike w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they&#039;ve passed &quot;smart gun&quot; legislation when the technology doesn&#039;t even exist yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they&#8217;ve passed &#8220;smart gun&#8221; legislation when the technology doesn&#8217;t even exist yet?</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/06/20/anti-gun-bills-in-california-headed-to-senate/#comment-25055</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just cannot see how the technology could ever work... chances are it would have to be electronic which means soldered connections... now imagine a circuit board inside a baseball... and slam that baseball up against a wall hundreds of times... there is no way in hell that the circuit will handle that kind of abuse...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just cannot see how the technology could ever work&#8230; chances are it would have to be electronic which means soldered connections&#8230; now imagine a circuit board inside a baseball&#8230; and slam that baseball up against a wall hundreds of times&#8230; there is no way in hell that the circuit will handle that kind of abuse&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: And I thought NJ was bad......</title>
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		<dc:creator>And I thought NJ was bad......</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy Smokes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Smokes!</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/06/20/anti-gun-bills-in-california-headed-to-senate/#comment-25051</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BC... mind saying who your assemblyman is?  I think that story needs to be told :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC&#8230; mind saying who your assemblyman is?  I think that story needs to be told :)</p>
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		<title>By: RedneckInNY</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/06/20/anti-gun-bills-in-california-headed-to-senate/#comment-25050</link>
		<dc:creator>RedneckInNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By not upholding the Constitution, he is violating his oath of office and therefore, should be recalled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By not upholding the Constitution, he is violating his oath of office and therefore, should be recalled.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have ripped into him for that one.  The constitution that he took an oath to uphold says you have a right to that hobby.  In a free society, politicians don&#039;t dictate what people can and can&#039;t do with their free time, and with their money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have ripped into him for that one.  The constitution that he took an oath to uphold says you have a right to that hobby.  In a free society, politicians don&#8217;t dictate what people can and can&#8217;t do with their free time, and with their money.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robb Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mind boggling that people are so stupid they&#039;ll allow this kind of crap to happen to them.

I don&#039;t live in California, so writing the &quot;idiots in charge&quot; won&#039;t listen to me, but this kid of asininity affects me just the same.

How can you legislate that a product be required when that product not only doesn&#039;t exist, but has very little chance of ever existing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mind boggling that people are so stupid they&#8217;ll allow this kind of crap to happen to them.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t live in California, so writing the &#8220;idiots in charge&#8221; won&#8217;t listen to me, but this kid of asininity affects me just the same.</p>
<p>How can you legislate that a product be required when that product not only doesn&#8217;t exist, but has very little chance of ever existing?</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way this stuff is going to fail to become law is if the governator vetos it.  I actually talked to my Assemblyman about this at a town hall meeting: I told him that I was a recreational target shooter who could go through 50 rounds of ammunition in a half hour, never mind a month, and that passage of AB2062 would effectively destroy my hobby.  His response?  &quot;Get a new hobby.&quot;

The mask is off.  They just don&#039;t care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way this stuff is going to fail to become law is if the governator vetos it.  I actually talked to my Assemblyman about this at a town hall meeting: I told him that I was a recreational target shooter who could go through 50 rounds of ammunition in a half hour, never mind a month, and that passage of AB2062 would effectively destroy my hobby.  His response?  &#8220;Get a new hobby.&#8221;</p>
<p>The mask is off.  They just don&#8217;t care.</p>
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