Looks like someone got pinched for disorderly. See here, and here.
UPDATE: I’m seeing examples of extreme stupidity on the part of the arrestee:
I thinks its best i more clearly represent the kind of person i am, cause you don’t seem to understand who I am or what I’m doing. I am not afraid of a court battle. I am not afraid of police or their false charges. I am not afraid of publicity that may meet my family bad or good(really wouldn’t make a difference). No lawyer can study or interpret the law better than me when on an even field(in front of a judge, I’ve actually trounced some really good ones). I have no need to consult a lawyer when what I am doing is perfectly not illegal. Please stop warning me to get a lawyer if I’ve done nothing or am going to do anything wrong. And I know that everything here is opinion, but its a step in the right direction if I can find the facts that prove or disprove something. And I’m a very good researcher. I don’t mean this posting to sound rude but I get incensed when I’m told to get a Lawyer(and it happens often), criminals need lawyers not me.
Jaysus, not another one. Folks, when you’re doing something like this, that’s bound to attract the attention of law enforcement, you need to have your legal game ready to go. There are smart open carry advocates, and there are stupid ones. This guy is a stupid one.
UPDATE: Looks like he ended up with counsel after his arrest, but he should have done his open carry in consultation with a lawyer first. It’s not right, since it’s not a crime. But it’s reality. If you get pinched, and don’t do the right things, that can screw everybody, not just you.
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June 5th, 2008 at 8:51 am
[...] Update: Not helping? [...]
June 5th, 2008 at 9:00 am
A lawyer who represents himself in court has a fool for a client.
Only this is worse.
Reminds me of that line from Lionel Hutz of The Simpsons:
“I’ve argued in front of every judge in this state, *often* as a lawyer!”
Hutz: “Yeah, I’m the law-talkin’ dude…”
Judge: “Uh, Lawyer?”
June 5th, 2008 at 9:59 am
I don’t think this guy really grasps that knowing the law better than lawyers isn’t the same thing as understanding legal procedure and case law as well. You can easily be screwed by basing your case on things that legal procedure makes inadmissible that any hack lawyer would have realized not to do.
June 5th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Yeah. I know a lot about law, particularly firearms law. I know a lot of the relevant court cases, but I am definitely not capable of defending myself in court. There’s no substitute for experience when it comes to matters like this.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
[...] Open carry trouble in Wisconsin [...]
June 5th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Oh man, not again. Do you realize that if we wait for the ‘perfect’ case, it’ll be decades (see Heller)?
I know that Mister-Unwarranted-Self-Importace-because-I-*know*-the-law isn’t the best choice, but he’ll be a lot better than me. Why? Because I believe that submitting to this sort of infringement and then trying to seek redress in the courts is a de facto surrender of my 2A rights. I would shoot the bastards on the spot without a second thought. As it is, I frequently carry concealed without a CCW because I refuse to submit to an unconstitutional permitting process.
Pick your poison: someone who is seeking a court battle or someone who carries 6 extra magazines because I will resolve the issue on the spot….
June 5th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
So you’re saying you’ll shoot the cop rather than fighting through the legal system? And how will that make gun owners look? That’s not helping.
June 5th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I mean, that’s not even a case we’d fight, because it’s murder. Violence against an unlawful government is a measure of absolute last resort. If you can still fight in the courts, you fight in the courts, and if you’re going to go that route, you have to be smart about it. Wise gun owners will throw a cop killer to the wolves.
June 5th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
When they exceed their authority, they’re lawbreakers, and armed ones at that.
June 5th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
So are bank robbers, but the police don’t shoot them dead as soon as they catch them. That’s why we have a legal system.
June 5th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
please sir, can I have a fair and speedy trial in 6 years and where the judge decided that the jury is only going to advise?
I think we need some (re)education camps for cops. Remind them just what they’re upholding.
Gun owners, the battered wife of the rights movement…two black eyes since 1934.
June 5th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
It’s been my experience that the people who advocate shooting cops have neither the appropriate levels of misguided courage nor illogical convictions to stand by their idiotic words.
OH NO AD HOMINEM, BETTER DISMISS EVERYTHING I SAY.
June 6th, 2008 at 3:36 am
You don’t win an argument with a cop. Period.
You win in a courtroom by presenting your arguments in front of a judge. Preferably with competent legal counsel.
When that happens, the cop better learns the laws he or she is supposed to be upholding and you don’t look like an idiot, which is better for everyone else.
June 6th, 2008 at 6:57 am
I’m Pointman from OpenCarry, where Parabellum (his screen name) first appeared. There is a lot more to the story than what can be shared with the public, but you can get a better understanding here:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/10543.html
Carrying a firearm, openly or otherwise, is not something one should jump into because they have the right to do so. With any right comes responsibility, and also the requirement to understand the associated laws. Unfortunately, my young friend was not prepared adequately for a hostile police encounter, and is learning the law first-hand. Since most “man with a gun” calls in Wisconsin involve the commission of a crime, police reaction can be quite severe. This is just one of many stories that didn’t go as well as it could have.
June 6th, 2008 at 7:58 am
[...] like this one really, really piss me off - in fact they piss me off so bad that the only comments I’ve ever [...]
June 7th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
I thought Ohio passed OC law recently. Now Grandmothers aren’t being robbed and raped by armed criminals. I believe the crime rate dropped. I’m not saying human life is worthless, but how can one defend himself (with fists or with bullets) when another law - the right to self defence - is being overlooked?
Call me crazy but all I hear about is victims going to jail for defending against a perpetrator. If cops can kill and nobody cares, why can’t I hurt somebody who is attacking me?
June 17th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Sebastian who the hell are you to call me stupid. You dont know what I did or didnt have prepared, you ignorant punk. Im doing more to further the cause of Open Carry than you ever will so watch who you insult, jerk. I wont be posting to this or any other forum exept opencarry.org but I dont let insults go unanswered. If you feel like apoligizing you can do so at the link Pointman put up.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Sorry, but the reason I get pissy about these things is because if you go into these kinds of situations, and don’t know what you’re doing, you can quickly start setting court precedent that screws every other gun owner out there. Perhaps I was a bit harsh to call you stupid, but there’s a lot at stake when you get into legal trouble involving a gun, so you have to know what you’re doing. I’m glad you’re lawyered up now, but you had to have that game ready to go from day one.