Comments on: Unhappy Bitter http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/29/unhappy-bitter/ Where There's Snow, There's Firepower Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:22:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: gattsuru http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/29/unhappy-bitter/#comment-22239 gattsuru Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:22:27 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3351#comment-22239 At least in Florida, you also risk criminal trespass with a deadly weapon laws. In other states, properly posted parking lots would result in felony charges, resulting in the government charge of a crime and seizure of property. There's a reason the law also specifies non-employee invitees as well -- they wouldn't be covered if the only thing at hand was being fired. I expect that having "fired for weapons violations" on your record is a non-trivial issue. But I never mentioned the importance merely for felons and contract-breakers. They conveniently happen to only make up a small portion of the populace, a small portion that is ill represented among lawful concealed carry gun owners. Those who abide by the law and their own word find themselves instead are faced with a similar costs and risks : significant amounts of lost time and money in order to comply with these actions, the inconvenience of daring to use one of their human rights protected and recognized by both the United States and Floridian Constitutions, and the risk of becoming predator chow. I seriously doubt that, with all the numbers broken down, the associated risks and choices of the park carry issue are on nearly the same level as that of risks associated with travel to and from work, either viewed as a percentage of all individuals or as pure absolutes. At least in Florida, you also risk criminal trespass with a deadly weapon laws. In other states, properly posted parking lots would result in felony charges, resulting in the government charge of a crime and seizure of property. There’s a reason the law also specifies non-employee invitees as well — they wouldn’t be covered if the only thing at hand was being fired. I expect that having “fired for weapons violations” on your record is a non-trivial issue.

But I never mentioned the importance merely for felons and contract-breakers. They conveniently happen to only make up a small portion of the populace, a small portion that is ill represented among lawful concealed carry gun owners.

Those who abide by the law and their own word find themselves instead are faced with a similar costs and risks : significant amounts of lost time and money in order to comply with these actions, the inconvenience of daring to use one of their human rights protected and recognized by both the United States and Floridian Constitutions, and the risk of becoming predator chow. I seriously doubt that, with all the numbers broken down, the associated risks and choices of the park carry issue are on nearly the same level as that of risks associated with travel to and from work, either viewed as a percentage of all individuals or as pure absolutes.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/29/unhappy-bitter/#comment-22236 Sebastian Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:06:13 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3351#comment-22236 The only thing you risk by carrying a gun to work is getting fired, which is something between you and your employer. It's not an issue where government is threatening to charge you with a crime and seize your property. The only thing you risk by carrying a gun to work is getting fired, which is something between you and your employer. It’s not an issue where government is threatening to charge you with a crime and seize your property.

]]> By: gattsuru http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/29/unhappy-bitter/#comment-22232 gattsuru Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:44:51 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=3351#comment-22232 <blockquote>Either way, it’s not quite as important as the advances we just made with National Park carry, and the fact that there would be lawsuits on the Florida parking lot bill is predictable.</blockquote> It's not as important? Really? I'd pretty easily wager that there are more concealed carry owners with jobs in Florida alone than CCWers going camping in federal parks at any one time, and no matter how many bears are out there, I see a good number more two-legged predators. The latter seem to be a bit more aggressive in the summer, too.

Either way, it’s not quite as important as the advances we just made with National Park carry, and the fact that there would be lawsuits on the Florida parking lot bill is predictable.

It’s not as important? Really? I’d pretty easily wager that there are more concealed carry owners with jobs in Florida alone than CCWers going camping in federal parks at any one time, and no matter how many bears are out there, I see a good number more two-legged predators.

The latter seem to be a bit more aggressive in the summer, too.

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