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	<title>Comments on: They Did It: Philadelphia Passes Gun Bills</title>
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		<title>By: D.W. Drang</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21573</link>
		<dc:creator>D.W. Drang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so does &quot;individuals under protection from abuse orders&quot; mean the hitter, or the hittee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so does &#8220;individuals under protection from abuse orders&#8221; mean the hitter, or the hittee?</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21464</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that the easiest of these get tested is the &quot;Assault Weapons&quot; ban.  If someone were so inclined, all they would have to do is say &quot;excuse me officer, I have an AR-15 unloaded and locked in my trunk.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the easiest of these get tested is the &#8220;Assault Weapons&#8221; ban.  If someone were so inclined, all they would have to do is say &#8220;excuse me officer, I have an AR-15 unloaded and locked in my trunk.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Carl in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21388</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t a group of Philadelphia citizens walk into city hall and arrest the Mayor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t a group of Philadelphia citizens walk into city hall and arrest the Mayor?</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21381</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because there&#039;s no penalty for violating the UFA.  Until they enforce it on someone, there&#039;s nothing the AG can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because there&#8217;s no penalty for violating the UFA.  Until they enforce it on someone, there&#8217;s nothing the AG can do.</p>
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		<title>By: RAH</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21380</link>
		<dc:creator>RAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the City passed a law that they have no authority to do so why does not someone contact the AG and either ask for the AG to prosecute the Mayor? Not a PA resident so do not know the process.  If a representative breaks the law, then a request can be made that that person be arrested. Or have a State Rep conatct the AG to arrest the MAyor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the City passed a law that they have no authority to do so why does not someone contact the AG and either ask for the AG to prosecute the Mayor? Not a PA resident so do not know the process.  If a representative breaks the law, then a request can be made that that person be arrested. Or have a State Rep conatct the AG to arrest the MAyor.</p>
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		<title>By: Passionate Conservative</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21360</link>
		<dc:creator>Passionate Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, I&#039;m glad I live in TX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, I&#8217;m glad I live in TX.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopher</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21350</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put up signs that have a quote of the statutes that contain the PA pe-emption law. 

Post in bold type that this sign is constructive notification that this city law is unlawful, and that anyone enforcing it can get sued without being able to claim in good faith that they were obeying statute.

( get help from an attorney ... you want to make damned well sure every cop who sees this can get sued for breaking the statute )

Post copies near the police stations.

Hand them to cops.

Picket city hall with a big sign up also saying this.


If you can get the money together:

Run one in a newspaper ad.

Put one on a bill board within sight of city hall.

x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put up signs that have a quote of the statutes that contain the PA pe-emption law. </p>
<p>Post in bold type that this sign is constructive notification that this city law is unlawful, and that anyone enforcing it can get sued without being able to claim in good faith that they were obeying statute.</p>
<p>( get help from an attorney &#8230; you want to make damned well sure every cop who sees this can get sued for breaking the statute )</p>
<p>Post copies near the police stations.</p>
<p>Hand them to cops.</p>
<p>Picket city hall with a big sign up also saying this.</p>
<p>If you can get the money together:</p>
<p>Run one in a newspaper ad.</p>
<p>Put one on a bill board within sight of city hall.</p>
<p>x</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopher</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21349</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put up signs that have a quote of the statutes that contain the PA pe-emption law.

Post in bold type that this sign is constructive notification that this city law is unlawful, and that anyone enforcing it can get sued without being able to claim in good faith that they were obeying statute.

( get help from an attorney ... you want to make damned well sure every cop who sees this can get sued for breaking the statute )

Post copies near the police stations.

Hand them to cops.

Picket city hall with a big sign up also saying this.


If you can get the money together:

Run one in a newspaper ad.

Put one on a bill board within sight of city hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put up signs that have a quote of the statutes that contain the PA pe-emption law.</p>
<p>Post in bold type that this sign is constructive notification that this city law is unlawful, and that anyone enforcing it can get sued without being able to claim in good faith that they were obeying statute.</p>
<p>( get help from an attorney &#8230; you want to make damned well sure every cop who sees this can get sued for breaking the statute )</p>
<p>Post copies near the police stations.</p>
<p>Hand them to cops.</p>
<p>Picket city hall with a big sign up also saying this.</p>
<p>If you can get the money together:</p>
<p>Run one in a newspaper ad.</p>
<p>Put one on a bill board within sight of city hall.</p>
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		<title>By: Linoge</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21333</link>
		<dc:creator>Linoge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the frak is an &quot;assault ... ammunition&quot;?  

Regardless, it is good to see that Philadelphia politicians have absolutely no understanding of effective laws...  nothing they passed has had any affect upon crime in the past, what makes them think it is going to work in this case?  In fact, the first two could rapidly turn into a method by which just about anyone could disarm firearm owners simply because they do not like those people owning firearms...  Protective orders are not exactly the hardest things to come by any more, and, hell, given how anti-rights folks can twist suicide and accident statistics, &lt;em&gt;anyone&lt;/em&gt; owning a firearm could potentially be judged a &quot;risk to themselves&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the frak is an &#8220;assault &#8230; ammunition&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Regardless, it is good to see that Philadelphia politicians have absolutely no understanding of effective laws&#8230;  nothing they passed has had any affect upon crime in the past, what makes them think it is going to work in this case?  In fact, the first two could rapidly turn into a method by which just about anyone could disarm firearm owners simply because they do not like those people owning firearms&#8230;  Protective orders are not exactly the hardest things to come by any more, and, hell, given how anti-rights folks can twist suicide and accident statistics, <em>anyone</em> owning a firearm could potentially be judged a &#8220;risk to themselves&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: I Don&#8217;t Even Know How They Can Do It &#171; The Right To Bear Arms</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21321</link>
		<dc:creator>I Don&#8217;t Even Know How They Can Do It &#171; The Right To Bear Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Don&#8217;t Even Know How They Can Do&#160;It    Sebastian has details on Philadelphia passing a handful of gun control laws that are in conflict with state law. According to what I have read, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Don&#8217;t Even Know How They Can Do&nbsp;It    Sebastian has details on Philadelphia passing a handful of gun control laws that are in conflict with state law. According to what I have read, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21316</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikee,

It is a dog and pony show, but people have gone to jail when the powers that be decide you&#039;re going to be a dog or a pony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikee,</p>
<p>It is a dog and pony show, but people have gone to jail when the powers that be decide you&#8217;re going to be a dog or a pony.</p>
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		<title>By: AJG</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21314</link>
		<dc:creator>AJG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikee, it fascinates me that the City apparently has enough police officers sitting around with nothing to do that they can set up a system to do an eligibility check, but complains that it doesn&#039;t have the manpower to follow up on multiple purchases to track down straw sales.

What a crock!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikee, it fascinates me that the City apparently has enough police officers sitting around with nothing to do that they can set up a system to do an eligibility check, but complains that it doesn&#8217;t have the manpower to follow up on multiple purchases to track down straw sales.</p>
<p>What a crock!</p>
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		<title>By: AJG</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21313</link>
		<dc:creator>AJG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue at this point should be what can be done about it other than waiting for a case to wind its way through the courts.

I would suggest that it is time for gun owners across the rest of this state to start boycotting Philadelphia to the extent possible.  I live in the suburbs and work in the City.  From this day  forward not one dime of my money will go into the hands of any business in this city if I can possibly make the same purchase elsewhere.  I see no reason to give the City a penny out of every dollar I spend so that they can use the money to pass and enforce ordinances that are really little more than a thinly veiled attempt to make the city safe for the thugs that are beating up honest citizens on subway platforms.  Maybe if enough of us withhold our spending, and let those who run businesses in the city know what we are doing and why, the business owners will start to bring pressure on the City.  Wishful thinking, perhaps, but worth the try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue at this point should be what can be done about it other than waiting for a case to wind its way through the courts.</p>
<p>I would suggest that it is time for gun owners across the rest of this state to start boycotting Philadelphia to the extent possible.  I live in the suburbs and work in the City.  From this day  forward not one dime of my money will go into the hands of any business in this city if I can possibly make the same purchase elsewhere.  I see no reason to give the City a penny out of every dollar I spend so that they can use the money to pass and enforce ordinances that are really little more than a thinly veiled attempt to make the city safe for the thugs that are beating up honest citizens on subway platforms.  Maybe if enough of us withhold our spending, and let those who run businesses in the city know what we are doing and why, the business owners will start to bring pressure on the City.  Wishful thinking, perhaps, but worth the try.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikee</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21311</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So does anyone think these laws will actually be enforced? I don&#039;t.  

Has the Philly police dept set up a system to do the 30 day eligibility check? How? Do they have a register of all firearm purchases (not just handguns, as the rule is any firearms) in PA by city residents and nonresidents? I don&#039;t think so....

How will they EVER know that a firearm is stolen and NOT reported, unless they recover one in a criminal investigation and trace it to an owner, who will then say, &quot;Hey, that gun must have been stolen, and I never noticed. Now that I know, I am reporting to you, the police, within 24 hours of my finding out, that it was stolen.&quot; So this will NEVER be enforced.

So this BS is just to show the local yokels (yes, that is what they are, despite being from the big city) doing something, instead of them going to the effort to do something that works....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So does anyone think these laws will actually be enforced? I don&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Has the Philly police dept set up a system to do the 30 day eligibility check? How? Do they have a register of all firearm purchases (not just handguns, as the rule is any firearms) in PA by city residents and nonresidents? I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;.</p>
<p>How will they EVER know that a firearm is stolen and NOT reported, unless they recover one in a criminal investigation and trace it to an owner, who will then say, &#8220;Hey, that gun must have been stolen, and I never noticed. Now that I know, I am reporting to you, the police, within 24 hours of my finding out, that it was stolen.&#8221; So this will NEVER be enforced.</p>
<p>So this BS is just to show the local yokels (yes, that is what they are, despite being from the big city) doing something, instead of them going to the effort to do something that works&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Laughingdog</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21307</link>
		<dc:creator>Laughingdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I feel for the police officers who will end up following orders, and possibly open themselves up to lawsuits.&quot;

Hell with being open for lawsuits.  I&#039;m pretty sure that enforcing these laws could get those officers in jail themselves.  The FBI doesn&#039;t look too kindly on color of law violations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I feel for the police officers who will end up following orders, and possibly open themselves up to lawsuits.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hell with being open for lawsuits.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that enforcing these laws could get those officers in jail themselves.  The FBI doesn&#8217;t look too kindly on color of law violations.</p>
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		<title>By: ParatrooperJJ</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21304</link>
		<dc:creator>ParatrooperJJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t the first two federal law already?  If you are under a temp hold you can&#039;t possess weapons and if you have a protective order against you you can have weapons either.  Or am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t the first two federal law already?  If you are under a temp hold you can&#8217;t possess weapons and if you have a protective order against you you can have weapons either.  Or am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21303</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In Philly, they passed a bunch of gun laws that are illegal due to pre-emption. The mayor has said enforcement goes into effect now. This will get interesting. Sebastian has the skinny. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In Philly, they passed a bunch of gun laws that are illegal due to pre-emption. The mayor has said enforcement goes into effect now. This will get interesting. Sebastian has the skinny. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Call me Ahab &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Philly passes illegal gun laws</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21302</link>
		<dc:creator>Call me Ahab &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Philly passes illegal gun laws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Philadelphia has passed the gun control measures that were before the City Council, and Mayor Nutter has signed them. Remember, these laws are illegal, as Pennsylvania is a preemption state where localities such as Philadelphia cannot pass laws which would run contrary to established state laws. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Philadelphia has passed the gun control measures that were before the City Council, and Mayor Nutter has signed them. Remember, these laws are illegal, as Pennsylvania is a preemption state where localities such as Philadelphia cannot pass laws which would run contrary to established state laws. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21300</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21299</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do too.  Qualified immunity gets murky in an area like this.  What do you if you&#039;re ordered to do something illegal by your superiors?  It&#039;s easy to say from the comfort of an armchair &quot;You refuse to enforce it,&quot; but a lot harder when you have to feed a family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do too.  Qualified immunity gets murky in an area like this.  What do you if you&#8217;re ordered to do something illegal by your superiors?  It&#8217;s easy to say from the comfort of an armchair &#8220;You refuse to enforce it,&#8221; but a lot harder when you have to feed a family.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21298</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a Nut Case.
I feel sorry for the police officers.
They are caught in the middle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a Nut Case.<br />
I feel sorry for the police officers.<br />
They are caught in the middle.</p>
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		<title>By: VariableFeedback</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21291</link>
		<dc:creator>VariableFeedback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no such thing as an &quot;assault weapon&quot; under PA law.  I believe that the Philadelphia ordinance has a very broad definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no such thing as an &#8220;assault weapon&#8221; under PA law.  I believe that the Philadelphia ordinance has a very broad definition.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt "45superman" Hofmann</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21289</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt "45superman" Hofmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, are so-called &quot;assault weapons&quot; defined under either Pennsylvania or Philadelphia law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, are so-called &#8220;assault weapons&#8221; defined under either Pennsylvania or Philadelphia law?</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt "45superman" Hofmann</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21288</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt "45superman" Hofmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis, I haven&#039;t found the actual text of the ordinances (in full legalese), but I have found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.phila.gov/mayor/PDFs/MayorNutterSignsGunLegislationPassedByCouncil.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Cliff Notes version&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;The Laws Signed Today:
• Temporarily Removes Guns From Individuals Declared to be a Risk to Themselves or Others –
Pursuant to a order by a judge, guns will now be able to be removed from individuals who are proven to
be a danger to themselves or others.
• Prohibits People with Protection from Abuse Orders Against them from Having Guns - Under this
legislation, individuals with protection from abuse orders against them can no longer purchase or
possess a gun.
• Mandates Reporting for Lost or Stolen Guns - The law fines owners if they fail to report a lost or
stolen firearm to a local law enforcement official within 24 hours of discovering the loss or theft.
• Prohibits Assault or Contraband Weapons in Philadelphia – This law prohibits the sale or
possession of contraband or assault weapons and ammunitions from the City of Philadelphia.
• Limits the Purchase of Weapons to One Gun a Month and Deters Straw Purchasers – Now gun
buyers are required to obtain a “30 day eligibility report” from the Philadelphia Police Department
certifying that the buyer has not purchased another gun within the past month. If the eligibility reports
indicate that a purchaser has obtained more than one handgun in any 30 day period, then that person
will be considered a trafficker in handguns.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis, I haven&#8217;t found the actual text of the ordinances (in full legalese), but I have found <a href="http://www.phila.gov/mayor/PDFs/MayorNutterSignsGunLegislationPassedByCouncil.pdf" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Cliff Notes version</a>:</p>
<p><i>The Laws Signed Today:<br />
• Temporarily Removes Guns From Individuals Declared to be a Risk to Themselves or Others –<br />
Pursuant to a order by a judge, guns will now be able to be removed from individuals who are proven to<br />
be a danger to themselves or others.<br />
• Prohibits People with Protection from Abuse Orders Against them from Having Guns &#8211; Under this<br />
legislation, individuals with protection from abuse orders against them can no longer purchase or<br />
possess a gun.<br />
• Mandates Reporting for Lost or Stolen Guns &#8211; The law fines owners if they fail to report a lost or<br />
stolen firearm to a local law enforcement official within 24 hours of discovering the loss or theft.<br />
• Prohibits Assault or Contraband Weapons in Philadelphia – This law prohibits the sale or<br />
possession of contraband or assault weapons and ammunitions from the City of Philadelphia.<br />
• Limits the Purchase of Weapons to One Gun a Month and Deters Straw Purchasers – Now gun<br />
buyers are required to obtain a “30 day eligibility report” from the Philadelphia Police Department<br />
certifying that the buyer has not purchased another gun within the past month. If the eligibility reports<br />
indicate that a purchaser has obtained more than one handgun in any 30 day period, then that person<br />
will be considered a trafficker in handguns.</i></p>
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		<title>By: TravisBickle</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/04/10/they-did-it-philadelphia-passes-gun-bills/#comment-21284</link>
		<dc:creator>TravisBickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That article mentions only two of the five measures signed into &quot;law&quot; today, and doesn&#039;t give even a hint about the other three, let alone any link to the actual text of the &quot;laws&quot;.  Where can I find real, hard information, rather than just a news snippet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That article mentions only two of the five measures signed into &#8220;law&#8221; today, and doesn&#8217;t give even a hint about the other three, let alone any link to the actual text of the &#8220;laws&#8221;.  Where can I find real, hard information, rather than just a news snippet?</p>
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