Comments on: CSGV Blog Reasoned Discorse, Part III

By: Justin Buist

Justin Buist — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:49:54 +0000

They haven’t published the two things I’ve left. I didn’t save the exact text, but the first was along the lines of pointing out that trigger locks are a bad idea. The violate rule #3 (Keep your finger off the trigger) by their very design. I pointed to the pilot discharging his gun as an example and made a case for cable locks being a much better idea.

I guess that rained on their “trigger lock = good” parade a bit too much.

I later tried posting something in refutation that trigger locks somehow play a role in the theft of firearms. I used to pick locks as a hobby and your typical gun lock only takes 30 seconds, requires almost no skill, and a simple $15 pick kit.

By: Cactus Jack

Cactus Jack — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:02:17 +0000

“fails to deal with the reality” pretty well sums up the anti’s position on firearms ownership.

By: madrocketscientist

madrocketscientist — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:05:20 +0000

My latest to Mondays with Mike

“As for cars, you’re right, we don’t ban them. But since the mid-20th century we’ve regulated them highly (along with our roads) in an effort to reduce automobile-related injuries and deaths. We have seen no similar effort in this country to date to reduce firearm injury and death.”

No effort to regulate firearms? Are you mad?! There are thousands of laws regarding firearms on the books? How are guns not adequately regulated? And regarding automobile regulation, how often do we hear of a person with multiple reckless driving or DUI convictions still being behind the wheel, even if their license was taken away?

Those of us for Gun Rights have pushed numerous safety and training campaigns over the years only to be shouted down by the gun control crowd for various reasons. We tried it your way, we tried to do near or total bans with no education and training, and what we get is violent inner cities. Your way is like abstinance sex ed, a great idea that fails to deal with the reality.

By: Guav

Guav — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:09:10 +0000

I’ll give them until tomorrow to approve the comment I left yesterday before I write them off …. but it ain’t lookin good.

By: Mikee

Mikee — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:01:18 +0000

I submitted comments 24h ago and have not seen them on their site yet. Oh, well.

By: Sailorcurt >False Alarm

Sailorcurt >False Alarm — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:50:49 +0000

[...Sebastian notified us of a possible case of true Reasoned Discourse a couple of days ago.

It turns out it was a false alarm. I posted a couple of comments successfully, but then I guess my arguments got too hard for them to rebut so they stopped posting them....]

By: Sebastian

Sebastian — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:42:45 +0000

No doubt they are approving comments that give the illusion of civil discourse occurring on their blog, without actually approving anything that weakens their positions, or exposes their deceptions. In this case we should probably stop trying.

By: Jay

Jay — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:38:55 +0000

They actually approved my comment on the ‘The Matter Of Non-Functional Firearms’ post, but didn’t respond to it. Reprinted here:

“Justice Breyer’s comment would [have] merit if he were talking about an issue like smoking in public. But infringement upon constitutional rights deserve judicial review. I sincerely doubt Justice Breyer would hold such an attitude concerning something like free speech or abortion. Should we leave such issues merely to the city councils and legislatures and not get judges “all over the United States” involved?”

By: Kevin Baker

Kevin Baker — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:33:30 +0000

I left a comment pointing out that England - with a complete gun ban (Mr. and Mrs. British Subject, hand 'em all in) they still can't keep guns out, and England is an island with no neighboring states with "weak gun laws" to blame. I also noted that Alexandria, VA - right next to DC, where there is a CCW law and open carry is legal - has a homicide rate a fraction of that of DC. So, of course, that post was not approved. "Reasoned Discourse," like "gun control" only works in totalitarian regimes. That is: the terms get redefined to pretty much the exact opposite of the original meaning.

By: Sevesteen

Sevesteen — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:19:59 +0000

Wish I would have seen this before I commented. I don’t remember my exact words, but I mentioned that the “guns in the home increases murder” includes criminals illegally posessing guns, and the rate is much different if only lawfully posessed guns are included. Trigger locks shouldn’t be used on a loaded gun, and that two different NRA instructors said that “in use” includes a nightstand gun. My comments haven’t been approved yet.

BTW-A nearly identical article appeared on the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-horwitz/the-matter-of-nonfuncti_b_92993.html#postComment

By: SayUncle » So much for Reasoned Discoursetm

SayUncle » So much for Reasoned Discoursetm — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:48:34 +0000

[...] Bummer. I thought one of the anti-gunners may have grown a set. [...]

By: MadRocketScientist

MadRocketScientist — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:58:55 +0000

I left comments regarding the fact that they only address one kind of violence, but have no plan, or even the faintest idea, about how to reduce violence overall, and that their solution will do nothing to reduce deaths or crime.

By: Mark@C

Mark@C — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:18:59 +0000

Smoke and mirrors, misdirection and lies. Amazing how quickly it becomes apparent that their arguments cannot withstand rebuttal.
Debates allowing only positive reinforcement aren’t debates, they are mere stage shows, depending on the participation of the audience to further the plotline. I see no point in playing the part of the trained monkey in their carefully managed circus.
And Damn, I’m tired of being lied to.

By: Chris

Chris — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:00:30 +0000

i responded to their post about guns “in use” and the NRA guidelines… the very topic was brought up 2 weeks ago in my NRA instructors course… and since the course didnt focus on defensive use, but sporting use, it wasnt covered much… target guns would and should be locked up when not in use… but a defensive gun is in use when it is sitting next to its owners bed

of course, they didnt want to have a debate with an instructor, so they didnt approve my comments