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		<title>By: VariableFeedback</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/19/thoughts-on-2008/#comment-20540</link>
		<dc:creator>VariableFeedback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Hillary/Obama were to win and just replace the 2 liberal justices, we would still lose as we would be ~20 years out of having conservative justices in those seats.  Also you need to think about which judges will retire post 2012 an who will be replacing them as well.  So yes, we do lose if Ginsberg and Stevens are replaced by other liberal judges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Hillary/Obama were to win and just replace the 2 liberal justices, we would still lose as we would be ~20 years out of having conservative justices in those seats.  Also you need to think about which judges will retire post 2012 an who will be replacing them as well.  So yes, we do lose if Ginsberg and Stevens are replaced by other liberal judges.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Argent</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/19/thoughts-on-2008/#comment-20537</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Argent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to not losing anything if a liberal judge gets replaced by a liberal judge: as much as it might appear to be otherwise, I don&#039;t want to hold the line, politically speaking. This is a golden opportunity. GWB got to appoint 2 conservative judges; the 44th president will almost certainly get to appoint at least 2 more judges. It takes 4 judges to grant cert. And if we can get even 1 more solidly conservative judge onto the court, Kennedy no longer will hold the swing vote.

GWB is no conservative, overall. But, from him, and with the help of a Republican congress, we got one of the best courts we could have had in my lifetime at least to hear DC vs. Heller. 

This means, by the way, that we&#039;re going to get a conservative ruling out of the court on Heller; a limited ruling that will be the foundation of other suits. We&#039;re not going to get (and in some ways I don&#039;t think I want) a Roe vs. Wade style of decision. DCs gun ban will be struck down, the Court of Appeals upheld, and a declaration of an individual right. It&#039;s going to be, probably, another 20 years before this works its way out, and at least that many suits. Do you want a nailbiter each time, with Justice Kennedy and another Justice Ginsburg deciding what&#039;s reasonable? Or do you want Roberts, Thomas, and Scalia writing those decisions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to not losing anything if a liberal judge gets replaced by a liberal judge: as much as it might appear to be otherwise, I don&#8217;t want to hold the line, politically speaking. This is a golden opportunity. GWB got to appoint 2 conservative judges; the 44th president will almost certainly get to appoint at least 2 more judges. It takes 4 judges to grant cert. And if we can get even 1 more solidly conservative judge onto the court, Kennedy no longer will hold the swing vote.</p>
<p>GWB is no conservative, overall. But, from him, and with the help of a Republican congress, we got one of the best courts we could have had in my lifetime at least to hear DC vs. Heller. </p>
<p>This means, by the way, that we&#8217;re going to get a conservative ruling out of the court on Heller; a limited ruling that will be the foundation of other suits. We&#8217;re not going to get (and in some ways I don&#8217;t think I want) a Roe vs. Wade style of decision. DCs gun ban will be struck down, the Court of Appeals upheld, and a declaration of an individual right. It&#8217;s going to be, probably, another 20 years before this works its way out, and at least that many suits. Do you want a nailbiter each time, with Justice Kennedy and another Justice Ginsburg deciding what&#8217;s reasonable? Or do you want Roberts, Thomas, and Scalia writing those decisions?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/19/thoughts-on-2008/#comment-20518</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you said, Bush isn&#039;t really a conservative, but he knows who got him elected.  The moment he tried to appoint one of his own to the court in the form of Harriet Miers, he was rightfully skewered in the conservative press.   

If McCain is elevated to the White House in 2008, it needs to be absolutely made clear who put him there, lest he nominate another Souter to the court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you said, Bush isn&#8217;t really a conservative, but he knows who got him elected.  The moment he tried to appoint one of his own to the court in the form of Harriet Miers, he was rightfully skewered in the conservative press.   </p>
<p>If McCain is elevated to the White House in 2008, it needs to be absolutely made clear who put him there, lest he nominate another Souter to the court.</p>
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		<title>By: ParatrooperJJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>ParatrooperJJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the major reasons I am voting for  McCain even though I don&#039;t think he will be a good President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the major reasons I am voting for  McCain even though I don&#8217;t think he will be a good President.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/19/thoughts-on-2008/#comment-20491</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Factor in the possibility of unexpected death, and it&#039;s not out of the realm of reasonable possibility that there&#039;s a third seat opening up.  We&#039;re not exactly looking at a bunch of spring chickens here.

And yes, sometimes nominees can be a surprise, but I think you have to go back to realistic probabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Factor in the possibility of unexpected death, and it&#8217;s not out of the realm of reasonable possibility that there&#8217;s a third seat opening up.  We&#8217;re not exactly looking at a bunch of spring chickens here.</p>
<p>And yes, sometimes nominees can be a surprise, but I think you have to go back to realistic probabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginsburg and Stevens are a guarantee I think.  One more isn&#039;t unlikely.  I think two more probably is, but it could happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginsburg and Stevens are a guarantee I think.  One more isn&#8217;t unlikely.  I think two more probably is, but it could happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Federal Farmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Federal Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that the next president will only get to replace two justices (both liberal).

This leaves us maybe losing no ground if Obama or Hillary get elected and maybe gaining ground if McCain gets elected.

Remember that justices do sometimes surprise those that nominate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the next president will only get to replace two justices (both liberal).</p>
<p>This leaves us maybe losing no ground if Obama or Hillary get elected and maybe gaining ground if McCain gets elected.</p>
<p>Remember that justices do sometimes surprise those that nominate them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/19/thoughts-on-2008/#comment-20485</link>
		<dc:creator>Bitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you consider that the current political reality allows for only two choices - McCain or Obama/Hillary - and combine that with an essential guarantee that there will be many more gun cases post-&lt;i&gt;Heller&lt;/i&gt;, it&#039;s worth it to start considering probability.  The probability that McCain will give us better judges/justices is much higher than Obama/Hillary.

When y&#039;all are ready to pony up and give a donation - no matter how small - to the fight for the courts via the McCain campaign, email &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.countertopchronicles.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Countertop&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you consider that the current political reality allows for only two choices &#8211; McCain or Obama/Hillary &#8211; and combine that with an essential guarantee that there will be many more gun cases post-<i>Heller</i>, it&#8217;s worth it to start considering probability.  The probability that McCain will give us better judges/justices is much higher than Obama/Hillary.</p>
<p>When y&#8217;all are ready to pony up and give a donation &#8211; no matter how small &#8211; to the fight for the courts via the McCain campaign, email <a href="http://www.countertopchronicles.com" rel="nofollow">Countertop</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/19/thoughts-on-2008/#comment-20484</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the justices ages by 2009:

John Roberts, 53 (Jan. 27, 1955)
Clarence Thomas, 60 (June 23, 1948)
David Souter, 69 (Sept. 17, 1939)
Stephen Breyer, 70 (Aug. 15, 1938)
Anthony Kennedy, 72 (July 23, 1936)
Antonin Scalia, 72 (March 11, 1936)
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 75 (March 15, 1933)
Samuel Alito, 58 (April 1, 1950)
John Paul Stevens, 88 (born April 20, 1920)

Most definitely Sevens will be retired or dead by the end of the next presidents term.  Ginsberg will also likely reture.  We could be looking at losing Kennedy, Scalia, and maybe even Souter.  My guess is the next president gets at least three. 

There are never any guarantees, but we know what kind of people Clinton and Obama will put on The Court.  McCain might pick losers, but in doing appointments there&#039;s a lot of political constituents that need to be appeased.  It&#039;s possible McCain will screw up and pick a loser.  Bush Sr. picked Souter, who is pretty clearly against us.  But I got little indication the Clinton justices were that friendly to the issue, though I&#039;m still holding out the possibility that Ginsburg will join the majority, at least in part.  

But that&#039;s just for the first step, of getting it declared and individual right.  We need a stronger court for subsequent steps.   Might not get it with McCain, but I think the chances are good, given that we seem to have done well on The Court with Bush, who I would also classify as a candidate I was less than thrilled about, so much so that I threw my vote away in 2000.  Not doing it again in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the justices ages by 2009:</p>
<p>John Roberts, 53 (Jan. 27, 1955)<br />
Clarence Thomas, 60 (June 23, 1948)<br />
David Souter, 69 (Sept. 17, 1939)<br />
Stephen Breyer, 70 (Aug. 15, 1938)<br />
Anthony Kennedy, 72 (July 23, 1936)<br />
Antonin Scalia, 72 (March 11, 1936)<br />
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 75 (March 15, 1933)<br />
Samuel Alito, 58 (April 1, 1950)<br />
John Paul Stevens, 88 (born April 20, 1920)</p>
<p>Most definitely Sevens will be retired or dead by the end of the next presidents term.  Ginsberg will also likely reture.  We could be looking at losing Kennedy, Scalia, and maybe even Souter.  My guess is the next president gets at least three. </p>
<p>There are never any guarantees, but we know what kind of people Clinton and Obama will put on The Court.  McCain might pick losers, but in doing appointments there&#8217;s a lot of political constituents that need to be appeased.  It&#8217;s possible McCain will screw up and pick a loser.  Bush Sr. picked Souter, who is pretty clearly against us.  But I got little indication the Clinton justices were that friendly to the issue, though I&#8217;m still holding out the possibility that Ginsburg will join the majority, at least in part.  </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just for the first step, of getting it declared and individual right.  We need a stronger court for subsequent steps.   Might not get it with McCain, but I think the chances are good, given that we seem to have done well on The Court with Bush, who I would also classify as a candidate I was less than thrilled about, so much so that I threw my vote away in 2000.  Not doing it again in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Tam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the justices most likely to retire Conservative or Liberal?

What guarantees do we have that Maverick McCain won&#039;t reach across the aisle and shiv us in the ribs with a &quot;moderate&quot; appointee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the justices most likely to retire Conservative or Liberal?</p>
<p>What guarantees do we have that Maverick McCain won&#8217;t reach across the aisle and shiv us in the ribs with a &#8220;moderate&#8221; appointee?</p>
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		<title>By: kaveman308</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaveman308</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>small correction

&quot;...if gun owners had not put him in the oval office in 2008&quot;


I think you meant 2000/2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>small correction</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;if gun owners had not put him in the oval office in 2008&#8243;</p>
<p>I think you meant 2000/2004.</p>
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