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	<description>Because It'll Be a Cold Day in Hell Before We Surrender the Second Amendment</description>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20534</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome Chris,

We all have to stick together.  This is most decidedly an international struggle, especially with people like Ms. Peters running about trying to get away with any restrictions they can think up.

It's really reassuring to know there are still people in Australia fighting the fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome Chris,</p>
<p>We all have to stick together.  This is most decidedly an international struggle, especially with people like Ms. Peters running about trying to get away with any restrictions they can think up.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really reassuring to know there are still people in Australia fighting the fight.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisPer</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20531</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But hey, he let MY comment through!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But hey, he let MY comment through!</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisPer</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20470</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAN that 'verging on random' is an annoying blog.  Why do you bother talking with someone who is obviously a lefty boofhead and incapable of discussion without all those abusive assumptions of paranoid ideas? 

And it loads SO slowly for me.  He is pretty low in the rankings, and I had never heard of him before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAN that &#8216;verging on random&#8217; is an annoying blog.  Why do you bother talking with someone who is obviously a lefty boofhead and incapable of discussion without all those abusive assumptions of paranoid ideas? </p>
<p>And it loads SO slowly for me.  He is pretty low in the rankings, and I had never heard of him before.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisPer</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20360</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Australian gun rights activist, I could join an extended rant about our laws, but instead would make two points:
1) Our enemies are your enemies too. For a telling photo of Rebecca Peters, see this article about an unreported cause of the Port Arthur Massacre - (not conspiracy-related) http://www.class.org.au/ideas_kill.htm

2) Most US RKBA activists misunderestimate Australian gun rights issues.  In particular, they think our laws took away self-defense rights and crime exploded.  

In fact, most indicators for violence were heading down before the laws and continued to do so after at the same rate.  Very few Australians relied on guns for self defense before 1996, and a very tiny number of them have suffered since. Even active shooters do not particularly want to make CCW an issue - we just want the community respect we deserve, and laws based on what works instead of what makes self-righteous spoil-sports happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Australian gun rights activist, I could join an extended rant about our laws, but instead would make two points:<br />
1) Our enemies are your enemies too. For a telling photo of Rebecca Peters, see this article about an unreported cause of the Port Arthur Massacre - (not conspiracy-related) <a href="http://www.class.org.au/ideas_kill.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.class.org.au/ideas_kill.htm</a></p>
<p>2) Most US RKBA activists misunderestimate Australian gun rights issues.  In particular, they think our laws took away self-defense rights and crime exploded.  </p>
<p>In fact, most indicators for violence were heading down before the laws and continued to do so after at the same rate.  Very few Australians relied on guns for self defense before 1996, and a very tiny number of them have suffered since. Even active shooters do not particularly want to make CCW an issue - we just want the community respect we deserve, and laws based on what works instead of what makes self-righteous spoil-sports happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20315</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Nomen Nescio on March 17th, 2008:
"too late; this particular aussie has already descended into both mudslinging and Reasoned Discourse(tm)."

We desperately need to develop international good will, diplomacy, and mutual respect.  My fellow Americans, and our friends the Australians - we cannot let this discourse be ruled by extreme or disrespectful rhetoric.   But then again, those that wish to undermine someone else's national sovereignity, and national constitutional protections, must back off substantially.  We Americans will say, firmly but hopefully politely - NO - to any attempts to disarm us from afar.

But that said, it is my sincere desire that my fellow Americans will be kind, understanding, and respectful of differing views.  I personally don't support the Austrialian approach to gun control.  But what Australia does is up to the people of that nation.  Likewise, what we do here is up to us.

I for one will not criticize Australia for it's decisions regarding gun control.  Will I learn from them, and harvest data from them on the efficacy of gun control?  Of course!  This information has already been informative.  But what Australia does is up to the Australians.  We all know that to be true.   But in return, I expect that Australians will respect the United States' domestic policy of constitutionally protected, individual rights of the people to keep and bear arms.  We will fiercely, yet with mature restraint, defend these rights from all those, both domestic and foreign, who attempt to take them away, or make them meaningless.

G'day, Mates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Nomen Nescio on March 17th, 2008:<br />
&#8220;too late; this particular aussie has already descended into both mudslinging and Reasoned Discourse(tm).&#8221;</p>
<p>We desperately need to develop international good will, diplomacy, and mutual respect.  My fellow Americans, and our friends the Australians - we cannot let this discourse be ruled by extreme or disrespectful rhetoric.   But then again, those that wish to undermine someone else&#8217;s national sovereignity, and national constitutional protections, must back off substantially.  We Americans will say, firmly but hopefully politely - NO - to any attempts to disarm us from afar.</p>
<p>But that said, it is my sincere desire that my fellow Americans will be kind, understanding, and respectful of differing views.  I personally don&#8217;t support the Austrialian approach to gun control.  But what Australia does is up to the people of that nation.  Likewise, what we do here is up to us.</p>
<p>I for one will not criticize Australia for it&#8217;s decisions regarding gun control.  Will I learn from them, and harvest data from them on the efficacy of gun control?  Of course!  This information has already been informative.  But what Australia does is up to the Australians.  We all know that to be true.   But in return, I expect that Australians will respect the United States&#8217; domestic policy of constitutionally protected, individual rights of the people to keep and bear arms.  We will fiercely, yet with mature restraint, defend these rights from all those, both domestic and foreign, who attempt to take them away, or make them meaningless.</p>
<p>G&#8217;day, Mates.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best method is generally to try to trap them in their own logic.  Most reasonable human being accept that people have the right to defend their own lives.  You kind of have to start with that and go from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best method is generally to try to trap them in their own logic.  Most reasonable human being accept that people have the right to defend their own lives.  You kind of have to start with that and go from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Skip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Went to the UK for a few months of work.  Everytime I went to a pub they immediately knew a Yank was at the bar ordering a beer (I guess it was my southern accent?)  Introductions and discussions soon followed, and it always got down to the cowboy gun culture we enjoy in the US.  The discussions abruptly ended when I explained the difference between citizens and subjects!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Went to the UK for a few months of work.  Everytime I went to a pub they immediately knew a Yank was at the bar ordering a beer (I guess it was my southern accent?)  Introductions and discussions soon followed, and it always got down to the cowboy gun culture we enjoy in the US.  The discussions abruptly ended when I explained the difference between citizens and subjects!</p>
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		<title>By: Nomen Nescio</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20312</link>
		<dc:creator>Nomen Nescio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Frankly, it’s my SINCERE hope that these interactions with the Aussies on gun control remain civil.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

too late; this particular aussie has already descended into both mudslinging &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; Reasoned Discourse(tm).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Frankly, it’s my SINCERE hope that these interactions with the Aussies on gun control remain civil.</p></blockquote>
<p>too late; this particular aussie has already descended into both mudslinging <i>and</i> Reasoned Discourse(tm).</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20303</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah... I actually took some Aussies shooting once and they had a blast.  My friend Jason brought out his machine pistol too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230; I actually took some Aussies shooting once and they had a blast.  My friend Jason brought out his machine pistol too.</p>
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		<title>By: Flash Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20301</link>
		<dc:creator>Flash Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently it can't get any more stupid in Australia.  A person from there recently told me that the police carry guns but are not allowed to take them home from the police station.  They pick them up at the station, wear them on duty, but must leave them at the station when they go home.

Heard this from on person who said it was first hand knowledge, but if anyone knows different please correct me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently it can&#8217;t get any more stupid in Australia.  A person from there recently told me that the police carry guns but are not allowed to take them home from the police station.  They pick them up at the station, wear them on duty, but must leave them at the station when they go home.</p>
<p>Heard this from on person who said it was first hand knowledge, but if anyone knows different please correct me.</p>
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		<title>By: Flash Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20300</link>
		<dc:creator>Flash Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an NRA training counselor and was teaching an NRA Basic Pistol class a couple of weeks ago to a group of 8 students.  I noticed the Australian accent of a 22-year old young lady in the class.  I always begin by asking students to tell me why they came to take this class since most who take the Basic Pistol class are fairly new to guns. 

It turned out this young lady lives in Australia and in the U.S. to see some friends from Australia who have immigrated to the U.S.   While she is in the U.S. she said the main thing she wanted to do was take gun classes because it's not allowed in Australia.  

She was using a borrowed XD 40 in the class.  After the range session was over she stayed and put about 200 more rounds through it until we finally had to leave because the range was closing for the day.  She said it was the most fun she's had in a while.

So I guess not all the Aussie's like having their freedom taken away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an NRA training counselor and was teaching an NRA Basic Pistol class a couple of weeks ago to a group of 8 students.  I noticed the Australian accent of a 22-year old young lady in the class.  I always begin by asking students to tell me why they came to take this class since most who take the Basic Pistol class are fairly new to guns. </p>
<p>It turned out this young lady lives in Australia and in the U.S. to see some friends from Australia who have immigrated to the U.S.   While she is in the U.S. she said the main thing she wanted to do was take gun classes because it&#8217;s not allowed in Australia.  </p>
<p>She was using a borrowed XD 40 in the class.  After the range session was over she stayed and put about 200 more rounds through it until we finally had to leave because the range was closing for the day.  She said it was the most fun she&#8217;s had in a while.</p>
<p>So I guess not all the Aussie&#8217;s like having their freedom taken away.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignore him.

He has gone to full moderation, so nothing he can't make fun of will get posted.

He's had his 1 minute of fame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignore him.</p>
<p>He has gone to full moderation, so nothing he can&#8217;t make fun of will get posted.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s had his 1 minute of fame.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my god, did you see the graphic he used to represent gun owners?  The flying attack monkeys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god, did you see the graphic he used to represent gun owners?  The flying attack monkeys?</p>
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		<title>By: Hypnagogue</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20294</link>
		<dc:creator>Hypnagogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the "community protection" thing is perhaps missing the mark.  A more accurate description is "overly tall children who want some big strong adult to protect them and provide for them."  They don't want to be free, they want to be safe and cared for.  

Try some compassion: we need to be gentle with those with such mild-mannered sensibilities.  Anything else is cruelty.  Ninety million well-armed grownups must seem a terrifying threat to someone so utterly governed by timidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;community protection&#8221; thing is perhaps missing the mark.  A more accurate description is &#8220;overly tall children who want some big strong adult to protect them and provide for them.&#8221;  They don&#8217;t want to be free, they want to be safe and cared for.  </p>
<p>Try some compassion: we need to be gentle with those with such mild-mannered sensibilities.  Anything else is cruelty.  Ninety million well-armed grownups must seem a terrifying threat to someone so utterly governed by timidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl in Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, it's my SINCERE hope that these interactions with the Aussies on gun control remain civil.  They seem a little dumb-strick that we Americans are so passionate about our fundamental human rights, and probably don't recognize that the international community has done, and will continue to do much to disarm us.

One such person is Australian Rebecca Peters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Peters

Listen to her debate Wayne LaPierre in "The Great UN Gun Debate":

Parts 1-4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmg_zMuQEDk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WwLz9hBZfM&#38;feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD1YmYuRtI8&#38;feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVKvyYqtJ1w&#38;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, it&#8217;s my SINCERE hope that these interactions with the Aussies on gun control remain civil.  They seem a little dumb-strick that we Americans are so passionate about our fundamental human rights, and probably don&#8217;t recognize that the international community has done, and will continue to do much to disarm us.</p>
<p>One such person is Australian Rebecca Peters:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Peters" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Peters</a></p>
<p>Listen to her debate Wayne LaPierre in &#8220;The Great UN Gun Debate&#8221;:</p>
<p>Parts 1-4</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmg_zMuQEDk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmg_zMuQEDk</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WwLz9hBZfM&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WwLz9hBZfM&amp;feature=related</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD1YmYuRtI8&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD1YmYuRtI8&amp;feature=related</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVKvyYqtJ1w&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVKvyYqtJ1w&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rustmeister</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20292</link>
		<dc:creator>Rustmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they'll give them all a whistle....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they&#8217;ll give them all a whistle&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/16/more-fun-with-aussies/#comment-20290</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you "rely on the community" for protection when you disarm those who you should be relying on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you &#8220;rely on the community&#8221; for protection when you disarm those who you should be relying on?</p>
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