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		<title>By: Ian Argent</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/09/on-endorsing-mccain/#comment-20087</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Argent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the deal - this election cycle, it is no longer possible for anyone but John McCain, Hillary Clinton, Or Barry Obama to be elected president of the US. Postmortems on Thompson's campaign can be left until after the second Tuesday in November. We have a choice between a centrist or one of 2 socialists (one of whom has a mean streak a mile wide, and the other is naive to the point of danger). In any case, change of either party &lt;i&gt;is not possible&lt;/i&gt; at this point - change happens in parties at the grass roots, and over time. McCain is not the perfect candidate; he certainly wasn't my first pick, and probably not my second. To mix a metaphor, I'd rather not be shot at all, but given the choice between being shot in the chest and in the arm, I'll take the shot in the arm; and I advise you to do the same. There's a chance of dying from being shot in the arm, but the shot to the chest has a much better chance to kill. John McCain may have wanted to ban private sales - Barry Obama and Hillary Clinton want to ban all semiautomatic weapons; &lt;i&gt;and believe that this is a sensible restriction&lt;/i&gt;. Obama believes the highest criteria for selecting a federal jusge is that he "have a heart", and there's 2-3 Supreme Court seats falling open this next presidential term, not to mention all the lower judicial openings. Clinton is touting her years of experience as First Lady, which almost certainly means a repeat of the policies of the '92-'00 years. She wants to be the nation's stern mother figure.

I am &lt;i&gt;living&lt;/i&gt; in the frigging People's Republic of NJ. While I voted against the man, I though John Corzine's experiences on Wall Street would have taught him a little about economics. I have been proved wrong. There is no way on God's green earth I'm voting for a Democrat, nor through inaction, allowing one to come into office (all that Argent's First Rule). The Republican party is maybe a little dysfunctional, and their addiction to pork at the national level is worrisome. I disagree with some of their social policies (for a more complete list of problems with the Republicans, see Zendo Deb @ TFS Magnum). But for the Democrats, job #1 is keeping themselves in power and expanding the power of government into every facet of life so that their power expands there as well. I don't want Hillary to be my Mommy; I don't want Barry to be my Best Bud. I'd prefer McCain not be in charge either, but it's much too late for that.

The presidential election cycle is the endgame for national party politics. If you want a different choice, you needed to be involved at the local and state levels YEARS ago. We're faced with a sub-optimal choice because that's what's come up through the political process. Complaining about the presidential candidates available at this late date is like complaining that the field-goal kicker is on the field at 4th and 10 on the 30 yard line, and we're 3 points back. Yeah, it'd be better if the offensive line had pushed the ball farther forward, or if the score was higher. We have a shot at overtime, or we can lose. Sit on the sidelines, or play the game - it's your choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the deal - this election cycle, it is no longer possible for anyone but John McCain, Hillary Clinton, Or Barry Obama to be elected president of the US. Postmortems on Thompson&#8217;s campaign can be left until after the second Tuesday in November. We have a choice between a centrist or one of 2 socialists (one of whom has a mean streak a mile wide, and the other is naive to the point of danger). In any case, change of either party <i>is not possible</i> at this point - change happens in parties at the grass roots, and over time. McCain is not the perfect candidate; he certainly wasn&#8217;t my first pick, and probably not my second. To mix a metaphor, I&#8217;d rather not be shot at all, but given the choice between being shot in the chest and in the arm, I&#8217;ll take the shot in the arm; and I advise you to do the same. There&#8217;s a chance of dying from being shot in the arm, but the shot to the chest has a much better chance to kill. John McCain may have wanted to ban private sales - Barry Obama and Hillary Clinton want to ban all semiautomatic weapons; <i>and believe that this is a sensible restriction</i>. Obama believes the highest criteria for selecting a federal jusge is that he &#8220;have a heart&#8221;, and there&#8217;s 2-3 Supreme Court seats falling open this next presidential term, not to mention all the lower judicial openings. Clinton is touting her years of experience as First Lady, which almost certainly means a repeat of the policies of the &#8216;92-&#8217;00 years. She wants to be the nation&#8217;s stern mother figure.</p>
<p>I am <i>living</i> in the frigging People&#8217;s Republic of NJ. While I voted against the man, I though John Corzine&#8217;s experiences on Wall Street would have taught him a little about economics. I have been proved wrong. There is no way on God&#8217;s green earth I&#8217;m voting for a Democrat, nor through inaction, allowing one to come into office (all that Argent&#8217;s First Rule). The Republican party is maybe a little dysfunctional, and their addiction to pork at the national level is worrisome. I disagree with some of their social policies (for a more complete list of problems with the Republicans, see Zendo Deb @ TFS Magnum). But for the Democrats, job #1 is keeping themselves in power and expanding the power of government into every facet of life so that their power expands there as well. I don&#8217;t want Hillary to be my Mommy; I don&#8217;t want Barry to be my Best Bud. I&#8217;d prefer McCain not be in charge either, but it&#8217;s much too late for that.</p>
<p>The presidential election cycle is the endgame for national party politics. If you want a different choice, you needed to be involved at the local and state levels YEARS ago. We&#8217;re faced with a sub-optimal choice because that&#8217;s what&#8217;s come up through the political process. Complaining about the presidential candidates available at this late date is like complaining that the field-goal kicker is on the field at 4th and 10 on the 30 yard line, and we&#8217;re 3 points back. Yeah, it&#8217;d be better if the offensive line had pushed the ball farther forward, or if the score was higher. We have a shot at overtime, or we can lose. Sit on the sidelines, or play the game - it&#8217;s your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Winghunter</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/09/on-endorsing-mccain/#comment-20080</link>
		<dc:creator>Winghunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GPS Ian, no one is "crying" here and this IS a big game that's played in the reality of our lives which directly effects our children's lives. A  game of numbers in specifically whom you can educate and then motivate to protect our freedom and way of life.

Now, I remember reading some of your drivel before so I'm left with no other possible conclusion than appreciating that you need a sledge hammer just to beat basic common sense into your own head.

I do however find it almost curious that you bother to waste your time regurgitating stats that don't mean squat but, you don't bother to read the material provided on this same page which proves your ignorance intentional...pretty damn pathetic of you Ian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GPS Ian, no one is &#8220;crying&#8221; here and this IS a big game that&#8217;s played in the reality of our lives which directly effects our children&#8217;s lives. A  game of numbers in specifically whom you can educate and then motivate to protect our freedom and way of life.</p>
<p>Now, I remember reading some of your drivel before so I&#8217;m left with no other possible conclusion than appreciating that you need a sledge hammer just to beat basic common sense into your own head.</p>
<p>I do however find it almost curious that you bother to waste your time regurgitating stats that don&#8217;t mean squat but, you don&#8217;t bother to read the material provided on this same page which proves your ignorance intentional&#8230;pretty damn pathetic of you Ian.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Argent</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/09/on-endorsing-mccain/#comment-20048</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Argent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that was instructive... Crying about the MSM is a cop-out. This isn't a game, where the sides are balanced and fair. Sebastian isn't the only one to note that the Thompson campaign was not making the grade. When Giuliani beats you 10-1 in a primary where b oth had dropped out, in a state where the Republican minority is  fairly "pure"...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that was instructive&#8230; Crying about the MSM is a cop-out. This isn&#8217;t a game, where the sides are balanced and fair. Sebastian isn&#8217;t the only one to note that the Thompson campaign was not making the grade. When Giuliani beats you 10-1 in a primary where b oth had dropped out, in a state where the Republican minority is  fairly &#8220;pure&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alcibiades McZombie</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/09/on-endorsing-mccain/#comment-20033</link>
		<dc:creator>Alcibiades McZombie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should switch to markers; it's cheaper.</description>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/09/on-endorsing-mccain/#comment-20031</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’ll come back another year that you’re able to concentrate.&lt;/i&gt;

It looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’ll come back another year that you’re able to concentrate.</i></p>
<p>It looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.</p>
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		<title>By: Winghunter</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/09/on-endorsing-mccain/#comment-20030</link>
		<dc:creator>Winghunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that's a level of over-simplification not many have the audacity in attempting Sebastian.

Paul had wrongheaded, immature and unprincipled punks performing everything from rigging online polls to spamming any article or forum remotely associated with politics and they, like their ludicrous candidate, have no idea what foreign policy demands of the United States nor what destruction to our society that legalizing drugs would have...Wherein, you again misinterpreted my obvious meaning of Fred's available information on the internet that campaigns used to be responsible for offering, which is what was being discussed, to your changing the subject to your perceived support of candidates on the net.

I'll come back another year that you're able to concentrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that&#8217;s a level of over-simplification not many have the audacity in attempting Sebastian.</p>
<p>Paul had wrongheaded, immature and unprincipled punks performing everything from rigging online polls to spamming any article or forum remotely associated with politics and they, like their ludicrous candidate, have no idea what foreign policy demands of the United States nor what destruction to our society that legalizing drugs would have&#8230;Wherein, you again misinterpreted my obvious meaning of Fred&#8217;s available information on the internet that campaigns used to be responsible for offering, which is what was being discussed, to your changing the subject to your perceived support of candidates on the net.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll come back another year that you&#8217;re able to concentrate.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/09/on-endorsing-mccain/#comment-20029</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul has a phenomenal internet presence.  Far above anything Fred had, and he pulled single digits in most states.  Low single digits in most of those.  A good internet presence is a fantastic aid, but it doesn't win elections.  Traditional campaigning wins elections, and that was where Thompson's campaign had issues.

Don't get me wrong.  I liked the guy.  I donated money to his campaign.  But he lost fair and square.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul has a phenomenal internet presence.  Far above anything Fred had, and he pulled single digits in most states.  Low single digits in most of those.  A good internet presence is a fantastic aid, but it doesn&#8217;t win elections.  Traditional campaigning wins elections, and that was where Thompson&#8217;s campaign had issues.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong.  I liked the guy.  I donated money to his campaign.  But he lost fair and square.</p>
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		<title>By: Winghunter</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/09/on-endorsing-mccain/#comment-20028</link>
		<dc:creator>Winghunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you just "sorry" me!?

I've watched this whole cluster go down up close and personal since March where I know exactly what happened, when it happened and why.

FACT: Well over 70% of the entire citizenry have internet access in their own homes where Fred had his message, detailed plans and anything else a loyal voter could ever ask for right at their fingertips which not only proves a campaign staff completely irrelevant to his support but, it also proves the majority didn't take their responsibility to find out past the drooling spin of the MSM as well as the agenda driven pundits!

AND if you had bothered to research everything I've already given you than you'ld know there is precious little difference between liberals and McCain.


We have nothing further to discuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you just &#8220;sorry&#8221; me!?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched this whole cluster go down up close and personal since March where I know exactly what happened, when it happened and why.</p>
<p>FACT: Well over 70% of the entire citizenry have internet access in their own homes where Fred had his message, detailed plans and anything else a loyal voter could ever ask for right at their fingertips which not only proves a campaign staff completely irrelevant to his support but, it also proves the majority didn&#8217;t take their responsibility to find out past the drooling spin of the MSM as well as the agenda driven pundits!</p>
<p>AND if you had bothered to research everything I&#8217;ve already given you than you&#8217;ld know there is precious little difference between liberals and McCain.</p>
<p>We have nothing further to discuss.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/09/on-endorsing-mccain/#comment-20025</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://fredthomnews.proboards47.com/index.cgi?board=general

http://www.thompsoncoalition.com/

http://www.pinnaclecascade.com/</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.thompsoncoalition.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thompsoncoalition.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.pinnaclecascade.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pinnaclecascade.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, having talked to people in Fred's campaign, it was a disaster, and is a significant contributor to his campaign going nowhere.  All the talented campaign experts were snatched up by the other candidates by the time he got into the race.

I just don't agree that McCain is worse than the Democrats.  Handing the White House to one of two socialists is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; the way to fix The Republican Party.  If you think open primaries are a serious problem, and I'm not sure they are, then we need to pressure the party leadership to quit using that system, and return to using caucuses to send delegates to the convention.

If we destroy the party, we'll be looking at decades of complete Democratic domination.  If you want to know what that looks like, take a look at New Jersey and California.  No thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, having talked to people in Fred&#8217;s campaign, it was a disaster, and is a significant contributor to his campaign going nowhere.  All the talented campaign experts were snatched up by the other candidates by the time he got into the race.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t agree that McCain is worse than the Democrats.  Handing the White House to one of two socialists is <i>not</i> the way to fix The Republican Party.  If you think open primaries are a serious problem, and I&#8217;m not sure they are, then we need to pressure the party leadership to quit using that system, and return to using caucuses to send delegates to the convention.</p>
<p>If we destroy the party, we&#8217;ll be looking at decades of complete Democratic domination.  If you want to know what that looks like, take a look at New Jersey and California.  No thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Winghunter</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/03/09/on-endorsing-mccain/#comment-20020</link>
		<dc:creator>Winghunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you fully understand all the information that's in those links listed above you'll know our situation is much more grave than merely offering "we'll do better next time".

First, I don't believe Fred will ever run again for any office ( we lost our chance at being governed by a true president ), his campaign staff didn't have anything to do with our failure to see him receive the nomination and unless we scream like scalded cats McCain could be just as bad or worse than woefully unqualified and pathetically inexperienced sniveling liberal brats who are being supported only upon their skin color or gender.

This situation we find ourselves in is what nightmares are made of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you fully understand all the information that&#8217;s in those links listed above you&#8217;ll know our situation is much more grave than merely offering &#8220;we&#8217;ll do better next time&#8221;.</p>
<p>First, I don&#8217;t believe Fred will ever run again for any office ( we lost our chance at being governed by a true president ), his campaign staff didn&#8217;t have anything to do with our failure to see him receive the nomination and unless we scream like scalded cats McCain could be just as bad or worse than woefully unqualified and pathetically inexperienced sniveling liberal brats who are being supported only upon their skin color or gender.</p>
<p>This situation we find ourselves in is what nightmares are made of.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we can do better next time.  Maybe next time Fred will have a winning campaign team behind him and will be able to get somewhere.  In the mean time, I'd rather live under McCain than Hillary or Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we can do better next time.  Maybe next time Fred will have a winning campaign team behind him and will be able to get somewhere.  In the mean time, I&#8217;d rather live under McCain than Hillary or Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Winghunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winghunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly suggest that not only is the 70% that you find agreement with McCain merely pandering to us for our support but, that it is also far more important for us to "mercilessly beat up" McCain in attempting to remind him who he works for.

John "Juan" McCain
http://juanmccain.blogspot.com/


It is also extremely  important to fully appreciate why Fred is not our rightful candidate;

How the Republican Party Committed National Suicide By JB Williams
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_19227.shtml
 
Who Hijacked the Primaries? by Brett Winterble  
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24726
 
The Death of Conservatism? 43 Mistakes and the GOP's Dobson's Choice
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1961546/posts
 
GOP Leads Astray
http://gopleadsastray.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly suggest that not only is the 70% that you find agreement with McCain merely pandering to us for our support but, that it is also far more important for us to &#8220;mercilessly beat up&#8221; McCain in attempting to remind him who he works for.</p>
<p>John &#8220;Juan&#8221; McCain<br />
<a href="http://juanmccain.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://juanmccain.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>It is also extremely  important to fully appreciate why Fred is not our rightful candidate;</p>
<p>How the Republican Party Committed National Suicide By JB Williams<br />
<a href="http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_19227.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_19227.shtml</a></p>
<p>Who Hijacked the Primaries? by Brett Winterble<br />
<a href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24726" rel="nofollow">http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24726</a></p>
<p>The Death of Conservatism? 43 Mistakes and the GOP&#8217;s Dobson&#8217;s Choice<br />
<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1961546/posts" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1961546/posts</a></p>
<p>GOP Leads Astray<br />
<a href="http://gopleadsastray.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://gopleadsastray.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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