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	<title>Comments on: CNN Story on Campus Carry</title>
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	<description>Where There's Snow, There's Firepower</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Noops</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/02/21/cnn-story-on-campus-carry/#comment-19430</link>
		<dc:creator>Noops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, forgot to respond to this.

The person (Brian Stubbs) was found to lack standing and was a student.  He was found to have suffered no harm, so yes, harm is the primary requirement for standing in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, forgot to respond to this.</p>
<p>The person (Brian Stubbs) was found to lack standing and was a student.  He was found to have suffered no harm, so yes, harm is the primary requirement for standing in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/02/21/cnn-story-on-campus-carry/#comment-19386</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breda:

The title &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; horrible indeed.  Borrowed from Brady terminology meant to connote that something is wrong with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breda:</p>
<p>The title <i>is</i> horrible indeed.  Borrowed from Brady terminology meant to connote that something is wrong with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/02/21/cnn-story-on-campus-carry/#comment-19385</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's Oregon's standing doctrine?  Can a student who wants to carry, but cannot have standing?  Or do you need to be harmed by the policy first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s Oregon&#8217;s standing doctrine?  Can a student who wants to carry, but cannot have standing?  Or do you need to be harmed by the policy first?</p>
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		<title>By: Noops</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/02/21/cnn-story-on-campus-carry/#comment-19383</link>
		<dc:creator>Noops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Oregon the Chancellor's office has forbidden weapons through a policy they basically know to be illegal, as the Oregon University System schools (Eastern Oregon U, Western Oregon U, Southern Oregon U, OSU, U of O, PSU(?)) is state property and we have preemption here.  One person attempted challenge with the backing of your favorite people (Oregon Firearms Federation), but plaintiff was found to lack standing.

What that basically means is that it's currently treated as a trespass.  You're asked to leave campus if they find you with a weapon.  If you refuse you're charged with misdemeanor trespass.   Within that framework, I know of some people who are willing to be "asked to leave" if found out.  So, for all intents, there ARE people who regularly carry on OUS campuses.  

I do hope that OFF is someday able to mount a challenge to the policy with a plaintiff that has standing.  They may be a little nutty sometimes, but they have had some phenomenal successes.  For example, this last year Port of Portland wanted expanded policing powers through the legislature.  OFF's position was that if the Port was willing to violate the law by preventing CCW holders on Port property (also in violation of preemption), then they shouldn't have expanded police powers.  They managed to get enough grass roots backing to kill the legislation.  It wasn't a direct win on the merits, but hopefully it shows the vehemence with which we can and should defend our rights, AND get agencies to think about how they enforce laws appropriately.

Noops</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Oregon the Chancellor&#8217;s office has forbidden weapons through a policy they basically know to be illegal, as the Oregon University System schools (Eastern Oregon U, Western Oregon U, Southern Oregon U, OSU, U of O, PSU(?)) is state property and we have preemption here.  One person attempted challenge with the backing of your favorite people (Oregon Firearms Federation), but plaintiff was found to lack standing.</p>
<p>What that basically means is that it&#8217;s currently treated as a trespass.  You&#8217;re asked to leave campus if they find you with a weapon.  If you refuse you&#8217;re charged with misdemeanor trespass.   Within that framework, I know of some people who are willing to be &#8220;asked to leave&#8221; if found out.  So, for all intents, there ARE people who regularly carry on OUS campuses.  </p>
<p>I do hope that OFF is someday able to mount a challenge to the policy with a plaintiff that has standing.  They may be a little nutty sometimes, but they have had some phenomenal successes.  For example, this last year Port of Portland wanted expanded policing powers through the legislature.  OFF&#8217;s position was that if the Port was willing to violate the law by preventing CCW holders on Port property (also in violation of preemption), then they shouldn&#8217;t have expanded police powers.  They managed to get enough grass roots backing to kill the legislation.  It wasn&#8217;t a direct win on the merits, but hopefully it shows the vehemence with which we can and should defend our rights, AND get agencies to think about how they enforce laws appropriately.</p>
<p>Noops</p>
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		<title>By: Breda</title>
		<link>http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2008/02/21/cnn-story-on-campus-carry/#comment-19382</link>
		<dc:creator>Breda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title is horrible.  "Hide"?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title is horrible.  &#8220;Hide&#8221;?????</p>
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