Comments on: MagPul FMG 9 Folding Submachine Gun

By: Alcibiades McZombie

Alcibiades McZombie — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:39:35 +0000

When I said 16-inch barrel, it was implicit that they’d have to change the design. They just modified a Glock for that prototype, but it could also be made like a SUB-2000 folding rifle.

By: James Tennyson, DDS

James Tennyson, DDS — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:42:13 +0000

You’re right about the Class II license! Guess I got carried away thinking about making one legal for average carry. Sorry I misspoke (twice, too!).
TJ

By: James Tennyson, DDS

James Tennyson, DDS — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:40:18 +0000

To make it legal with a pistol-length barrel the closing part couldn’t be hinged or it would still constitute a “stock” that could be used for shoulder-firing. It could slip over the bottom of the case to cover the pistol grip and magazine, though, as long as it had to come completely off to fire the gun.
I don’t see any way to make a 16 inch barrel fit, since you couldn’t screw a barrel into the Glock slide, and if you had a two-part barrel with the ends threaded to screw together to make it 16″ long you could still fire it without the extension to make it 16″ long. Short of having a barrel sticking out the front of the thing you’d be stuck with getting a Class II license, which I’d be willing to do.

By: Sebastian

Sebastian — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:38:24 +0000

You don’t need to be a Class II SOT unless you’re manufacturing them for sale. You just need to fill out form 4 and pay the tax for the transfer. The manufacturers handle registering it on form 1.

By: James Tennyson, DDS

James Tennyson, DDS — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:32:13 +0000

Even if they make a semi-auto version you’d have to have a Class II license for it, since it will have a shoulder stock and a barrel less than 16 inches long. Might as well have a full-auto if you’ve got to register it with ATF.
TJ

By: Alcibiades McZombie

Alcibiades McZombie — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:12:02 +0000

Yes, I know it’s an SBR with the stock, I was asking if it was an AOW without the stock. I thought there might be trouble if it looked like something innocuous, like a tackle box (or, in this case, large flashlight).

Anyway, I suppose they could enlarge it to sixteen inches. That would avoid the whole SBR issue. Maybe Kel-Tec will produce a clone…

By: Carl Donath

Carl Donath — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:35:39 +0000

It’s an SBR, given the shoulder stock & short barrel. The fact that it folds up is irrelevant considering it cannot be fired when folded.

By: Jim W

Jim W — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:03:04 +0000

And I would love one if it took the glock 33 rders and the 86 ban went away. I think that would be a kickass toy.

By: Jim W

Jim W — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:02:30 +0000

It’s not an AOW if it looks like a gun when it is in the firing configuration.

This distinction is best illustrated by the non AOW pen guns that fold into a boomerang shape before the trigger can be used to fire them. They count as pistols not AOWs.

By: Sigivald

Sigivald — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:43:35 +0000

I recall reading on one of the SHOT Show collections-of-pictures from attendees that it was a “look what we can do” showoff and they weren’t planning to produce it in the first place.

That may or may not be accurate, of course, but it’s a possibility.

By: Alcibiades McZombie

Alcibiades McZombie — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:27:38 +0000

Well, if they drop the shoulder stock, it should just be a folding pistol, right? Unless it counts as an AOW…

The stock appears to be largely empty, so they should be able to figure something out.

By: Carl Donath

Carl Donath — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:55:24 +0000

OMG I want one! While usually down on 9mm carbines (as .223 can do more in the same packaging), this thing is just amazing!

This solves the “trunk gun” issue beautifully.

By: Sebastian

Sebastian — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:46:27 +0000

It’ll still be an SBR, but shit… I’ll do the NFA dance for one of those.

By: SayUncle

SayUncle — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:45:45 +0000

It’s magpul. They’ll make a semi version.