As far as the two Disney people being fired…I agree, she should not have said anything. None of their business and as far as Disney goes…if they sponser a Gay Day, that should tell you they hate gun owners, too. Liberals all have the same guide book they follow. Guess who will never get any more of my money on vacations? Wonder is Walt, being the gun owner he was, is spinning in his grave.

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My attitude has saved my life more than once. Because I was willing. Moreso than those that would do me harm.

Yet, you will find no man I have ever employed force against for any reason other than defense. However, I will say defense does not end when they break off, it ends when I have made sure they will never try again.

Outside of that, most people who know me face to face think I don’t have a serious bone in my body or ever equate me with the ability to be dangerous. Most people who know me have never pissed on me. That’s what’s called a clue. And I like most of them, not all, but I treat them all with respect as humans.

I hold myself above no man, nor below him. Not quite true, there are some reprehensible monsters out there, that I most assuredly hope I am better than, at least in societal terms.

Therefore, given a situation like this, you can either submit to a search of your person or vehicle, or you can leave the property. I’m fine with that. Your choice. The problem I have is that people don’t realize that they have the right to say “no you may not search my car.” This entire issue is centered around trespass law, rather than personal privacy, search and seizure, gun laws, etc.

Frankly, the way I would handle it is this:
Assuming I choose to have a gun in my car, and the posted/known policy is that no guns are allowed on the property, I would ignore the policy, and simply not let anyone know I had a gun. If asked, I would lie. Giving an answer like “none of your business” just makes things worse. If the property owner demanded I allow them to search my car, I would leave. I guarantee that 99.999% of the time, there will be no problems. the other 0.0001% of the time, you have to make a decision, like Straightarrow did, to either give up your personal privacy, or leave the property (and possibly lose your job.)

As Sebastian said: “It’s a bad idea to blab about your carry status”.

Since when did stepping onto someone elses property eliminate my ownership of myself and what is attached to my body? Same as what is in my vehicle, just by pulling onto or parking on someone elses property they do not obtain ownership of my vehicle, no matter what signs they put up.

They said “But it’s policy.” I said, “Yep, so is mine.”

They said they would fire me. I said I have already quit, then I explained that he had better never be anywhere I was from that point on. He asked if it was a threat, I assured him it was only damn good advice.

Ironically, the only thing I had in that car was my interest in it. No guns, no drugs, no contraband, no company property, not a damn thing that would harm me in any way for anyone to know. I wasn’t about to give up my citizenship or my claim to manhood by letting the prick walk on me. I was perfectly willing to harm him seriously if he could not be dissuaded.

I may have lost my job, but I kept the important stuff. He lost far more than I did. He lost the best employee he had ever had and he engendered an undying animosity in him.

I think you’d be liable for breach of the employment contract, but in terms of how much control they can exert over your mobile property because it’s resting on their fixed property, I don’t know. That’s an area of law I’m entirely unfamiliar with. I’m pretty sure they can forcibly remove your property, and hold the property until you pay for the costs associated with its removal, but I don’t know how much right they have to outright seize it, or to forcibly search it.

The recently defeated law in FL would have simply made it so that denying a company the right to search your car would no longer be legitimate grounds for termination of employment.

Also, just for your information in some states, including Florida, “No Guns” signs carry no weight of law. “Trespassing” only occurs when you are somewhere you reasonably believe you have the right to be, and you have been asked to leave and refuse. You are correct in saying that you have no “right” to carry a weapon onto someone else’s property. However, you are only in violation of the law (at least here in FL) when in doing so, you are also trespassing (even worse, it is actually “armed trespass” which is a felony.) If the property owners do not know that you have a gun, then no law has been broken. I know these points aren’t really applicable to the case that Sebastian pointed out, but I think they are relevant to the overall debate.

I do not like the fact that many corporations make it employment policy that allows for vehicle searches in the corporations’ parking lots, nor do I like it that companies forbid firearms or other arms on their property; but I (and I am willing to bet every last one of you) likes to be the king of your own castle. Like it or not though, these companies are in effect exercising their right to control what goes on on their property. That is the way it has been for hundreds of years, and that is the way it should remain. Of course, companies should choose to allow firearms and other arms onto their property with no hesitation as far as I see it, but if they do not, that choice is theirs to make – isn’t it. Then again it is our choice to avoid such places.

All the best,
GB

I would be fine with a company saying “no guns in your car at work”, but I would not be fine with a company saying “you give us the right to search your vehicle while you are employed with us.” I guess it is mostly an employment rights issue, but it certainly overlaps the line between that and property rights. As I said before, I would not allow my boss to come home and search my house to make sure I don’t have something that is “against company policy”. I figure if I were fired for that, I would already have grounds for litigation.

This reminds me of similar cases of companies deciding that employees are not allowed to smoke. Sure, they are within their rights to enforce a rule like that when the employee is on the clock, but the case gets shaky when the company says “you may not smoke at home either.”

Of course, the reason companies want to keep guns off of their property anyway boils down to liability. It wouldn’t be nearly as big of an issue if companies were protected from lawsuits in the event that an employee used a firearm in self defense while on their property.

An employer can ask for consent to search your vehicle, you can grant it or deny it. If you deny it, you may be fired, but if they forcibly search your vehicle, you can charge them with vandalism. If they use physical force against you to get your keys, you’re lawfully entitled to use force to protect yourself, and leave the premises. If they try to restrain you, you’re lawfully entitled to use force to defend yourself. Basically, you can assert your property rights.

But your employer can fire you and demand you leave company property for doing so. These laws are essentially employment laws that prevent employers from being fired for asserting their property rights over their vehicles.

I agree with Robb about Disney lawfully firing whomever they please for whatever reasons they want. That is life. These parking lot bills are supposed to be an affirmation that you are guaranteed the right to privacy withing your conveyance. What happens when you pull into the Disney parking lot with an NRA sticker on your car, and they want to make sure you don’t have a firearm in your vehicle?

Most of these laws, from what I understand, do not prohibit a company from firing you for having a firearm in your car. Rather, they prohibit the company from searching your car, for the same reason they are not allowed to search your home.