Comments on: Some NFA Myths I’m Hearing http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2007/02/28/some-nfa-myths-im-hearing/ Where There's Snow, There's Firepower Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:51:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Hank http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2007/02/28/some-nfa-myths-im-hearing/#comment-28639 Hank Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:20:53 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=268#comment-28639 I had a C&R for nine years and it was totally without any problems. I had 3 NFA items on form 4's and moved during the period. Then I had a health issue and decided I would "sell" the pieces to my son. He also has a C&R and the transfer was easy. Later, I simply failed to renew my license and after a few months shredded my A&D's. Never even a phone call from either the BATFE or the local authorities. Unless you get crosswise with the law you shouldn't have any problems. I had a C&R for nine years and it was totally without any problems. I had 3 NFA items on form 4’s and moved during the period. Then I had a health issue and decided I would “sell” the pieces to my son. He also has a C&R and the transfer was easy. Later, I simply failed to renew my license and after a few months shredded my A&D’s. Never even a phone call from either the BATFE or the local authorities. Unless you get crosswise with the law you shouldn’t have any problems.

]]> By: Eric http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2007/02/28/some-nfa-myths-im-hearing/#comment-17875 Eric Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:42:50 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=268#comment-17875 WHY BAN SHORT BARRELS IF THE RIFLE IS SEMI AUTO ANYWAY????????????? WHY BAN SHORT BARRELS IF THE RIFLE IS SEMI AUTO ANYWAY?????????????

]]> By: Eric http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2007/02/28/some-nfa-myths-im-hearing/#comment-17874 Eric Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:42:05 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=268#comment-17874 Personally, I think the C&R should cover weapons of any military 25 yrs or older instead of 50 and also their semi auto copies should be legal, even though that receivers are different in some cases and have new barrels etc. Personally, I think the C&R should cover weapons of any military 25 yrs or older instead of 50 and also their semi auto copies should be legal, even though that receivers are different in some cases and have new barrels etc.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2007/02/28/some-nfa-myths-im-hearing/#comment-801 Sebastian Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:21:46 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=268#comment-801 I'm hoping I never get audited, but if I did, I'd opt to have it in my home, because I'd rather make the ATF have to spend the money on transportation. I keep pretty thorough records. I have sales receipts for most of my collection that I acquired before the license. I'm not really that concerned about having an ATF agent in my house, since there's really nothing they are going to notice that's out of the ordinary. But if it becomes a hassle, or the ATF start jerking me around, I'll drop the license. Like I said, I don't really like that I have to get a license to do what people of my grandfather's generation used to do unhindered, but it's the law, unfortunately. I'll keep lobbying to change it. One step in the right direction I'd like to see is for the type 3 FFL to apply to everything, and not just C&R. I’m hoping I never get audited, but if I did, I’d opt to have it in my home, because I’d rather make the ATF have to spend the money on transportation. I keep pretty thorough records. I have sales receipts for most of my collection that I acquired before the license. I’m not really that concerned about having an ATF agent in my house, since there’s really nothing they are going to notice that’s out of the ordinary.

But if it becomes a hassle, or the ATF start jerking me around, I’ll drop the license. Like I said, I don’t really like that I have to get a license to do what people of my grandfather’s generation used to do unhindered, but it’s the law, unfortunately. I’ll keep lobbying to change it. One step in the right direction I’d like to see is for the type 3 FFL to apply to everything, and not just C&R.

]]> By: Earl Harding http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2007/02/28/some-nfa-myths-im-hearing/#comment-778 Earl Harding Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:09:18 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=268#comment-778 A type 03 has the option to have the audit in their home. During the audit the auditor is only permitted to go where you permit them to go. So it you have the audit at you kitchen table and they want to see a specific firearm you can go and get it from the safe and they can't leave the table. In other words, other than looking at the books they have no more rights than an insurance salesman. Of course dirung an 01 audit the inspector can go anywhere at all in the place of business. The issue with having the audit at the ATF office is that they can ask to see any/all of the firearms listed. This can make it a royal pain. Although I haven't been audited the last person I knew who was arranged all his firearms in the same order as the book around the wall so he could find it quickly. Made the audit go very fast. A type 03 has the option to have the audit in their home. During the audit the auditor is only permitted to go where you permit them to go.

So it you have the audit at you kitchen table and they want to see a specific firearm you can go and get it from the safe and they can’t leave the table. In other words, other than looking at the books they have no more rights than an insurance salesman. Of course dirung an 01 audit the inspector can go anywhere at all in the place of business.

The issue with having the audit at the ATF office is that they can ask to see any/all of the firearms listed. This can make it a royal pain.

Although I haven’t been audited the last person I knew who was arranged all his firearms in the same order as the book around the wall so he could find it quickly. Made the audit go very fast.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2007/02/28/some-nfa-myths-im-hearing/#comment-766 Sebastian Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:23:46 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=268#comment-766 You can move your collection whenever you want, so it's not a prior restraint on moving. If you do move, you just have to file form 5300.38 with the ATF, Application for an Amended Federal Firearms License, and send out new copies before you can use your license to acquire or dispense qualifying firearms again. It's technically your premises that is licensed, so if you change addresses, you generally get a new FFL number. The other thing you have to do is fill out the FFL Loss/Theft form 3310.11 if a firearm goes missing or stolen. Unlike dealers, you don't have to turn in your records if you quit. That's not to say I like having to get a license to do collecting, but financially it's a good deal, and I don't think it's much worse than 4473 and the NICS check. As a C&R, I don't have to deal with any of that. You can move your collection whenever you want, so it’s not a prior restraint on moving. If you do move, you just have to file form 5300.38 with the ATF, Application for an Amended Federal Firearms License, and send out new copies before you can use your license to acquire or dispense qualifying firearms again. It’s technically your premises that is licensed, so if you change addresses, you generally get a new FFL number. The other thing you have to do is fill out the FFL Loss/Theft form 3310.11 if a firearm goes missing or stolen. Unlike dealers, you don’t have to turn in your records if you quit.

That’s not to say I like having to get a license to do collecting, but financially it’s a good deal, and I don’t think it’s much worse than 4473 and the NICS check. As a C&R, I don’t have to deal with any of that.

]]> By: straightarrow http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2007/02/28/some-nfa-myths-im-hearing/#comment-763 straightarrow Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:16:57 +0000 http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/?p=268#comment-763 I am pretty sure you are in error on a couple of points. I didn't get a C&R because of two things I read in the application. One was that I could be inspected at their whim, true, they stated that usually an appointment was made, but usually don't feed the bulldog. The other was that I could not move my collection at my volition but only after getting the ATF's permission based upon their interpretation of whether or not I would be considered in compliance with the law in the area to which I was moving. It is illegal for me to tell you what my reaction to either of those transgression would be, and will be if any sonofabitch tries to cancel my citizenship. Do not err, that is what we are talking about. I am pretty sure you are in error on a couple of points. I didn’t get a C&R because of two things I read in the application. One was that I could be inspected at their whim, true, they stated that usually an appointment was made, but usually don’t feed the bulldog. The other was that I could not move my collection at my volition but only after getting the ATF’s permission based upon their interpretation of whether or not I would be considered in compliance with the law in the area to which I was moving.

It is illegal for me to tell you what my reaction to either of those transgression would be, and will be if any sonofabitch tries to cancel my citizenship. Do not err, that is what we are talking about.

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